There are 2 things wrong with this discussion.
1) someone replied to the proposal: "Isn't it time to be honest with ourselves ..."
Perhaps next time, consider the phrase: "It only takes one (1) reply, to turn a rant (1) into an argument (2)".
2) That page, [[WP:NOT]], is an abstraction of the workings of a community of 20,000+ participants. If you encounter Different individuals, you'll get Different results.
It is difficult to discuss Zen writings with Literal-mindedness, or to understand them in isolation: below the section WP:BURO is WP:ANARCHY. Any step away from Anarchy, begins Bureaucracy.
(there is only wiki).' (Note: The geekword "wiki" does not suffice in describing the Wikipedia's actual purpose, scope, or processes, let alone its systems).
exactly.
Quiddity