On 6/20/06, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
The Cunctator wrote:
Well, BoingBoing just published Jimmy's propagandistic stylings on semi-protection (it's not a restriction, it's a freedom!) with the
lovely
heading "NYT falsely reports that Wikipedia has added restrictions".
Gee, that is hardly what I have said. We used to fully protect in cases that we now semi-protect. That's a net gain for openness.
I hope you'll get Boing Boing to correct their title.
It's
difficult to tell and Wales isn't particularly interested in doing
honest
critical analyses of the effects of his policies.
Wow, that's a hell of a thing to say after we have known each other for years, and after I have spent a week gathering statistics and doing studies of how semi-protection is used.
Sorry. This is mainly a reference to the whole "Today, as an experiment, we will be turning off new pages creation for anonymous users in the English Wikipedia." I still think you were being a bit disingenuous (if unintentially) about the experimentality of that decision.
Perhaps I shouldn't be so harsh -- I think you're essentially the best man for the job, and as I admitted elsewhere in the thread, I'm prone to hyperbole.
As an admin, I've also turned
on/off semi-protection in various cases. I just wish people (aka Jimmy) would be will to admit that there are shades of gray instead of shouting that it's black and white.
Excuse me? I have spent the last several days writing dozens of journalists and bloggers explaining precisely this: that there are shades of gray and that the matter is much more complex than "Wikipedia is locking down" or "Wikipedia is total fucking chaos".
But when you go and write something like "The New York Times gets it exactly backwards" that doesn't sound like someone explaining shades of gray. It sounds like someone getting pulled into a black vs white fight (which is easy enough to do--just look at how heated my rhetoric has been in response to what you wrote in response to what they wrote).
The truth is: Wikipedia is incredibly open,
Yes, yes, and yes.
and it is my intention that
we look at the places where we have been unable to be open in the past, and find clever ways to slice those so that we are more open. Like, for example, semi-protection instead of full protection.
I'm not sure we have identical definitions of openness. Sometimes not letting anyone edit an article is more open than letting particular subsets of people edit.
I think your motives are exactly right. I think sometimes your methods for coming to decisions aren't always the best, and your understanding of the nature of Wikipedia is imperfect. That's true of anybody, but you're a special case, so you get criticism from the likes of me.
There's more, but rest assured that I do think about history.