Jimmy Wales wrote:
Jeff Raymond wrote:
Because a verifiable stub isn't worth it?
I did not say that. The point is, it is NOT verifiable. It is likely a copyvio, and the amount of information known about this woman from reliable third party sources is about as close to zero as you can get.
It was written by someone who appears to have a serious problem with respect to uploading copyvio images and claiming he took them. I see no reason to trust anything about the article at all.
In the meantime, we have an article that is most likely a copyvio, and in any event contains a number of totally unverifiable sources. And any movement to do something about this sort of nonsense is met with the view that people are out to censor pop culture or something like that.
This is an overreaction. While there may be some basis for suspecting that the image may be a copyvio, saying that about the text of the article is a bit of a stretch. There is not much information in the article to start with. It is a stub, but that is more an argument for the proposed merge than outright deletion. How can you say that something is "likely a copyvio"? Either it's prima facie a copyvio or it's not. Either you have compared it with some original text, or you haven't. Wouldn't it be better to verify a claim that someone is acting illegally before making it. If we are going to criticize such unsubstantiated claims when they are made about the subject of an article, shouldn't the same standard apply to claims about our fellow contributors.
I would not presume to say whether the information is verifiable or not. I do not understand Tagalog, and I do not regularly keep tabs on what is being said in Philippine publications.. Do you?
And what really is the standard for pop culture notability? There is an extensive article for the 9th place finisher from the most recent ''American Idol''. This was the first season of ''Philippine Idol''. Why wouldn't it's 9th place finisher merit the same treatment, including the way that publicity shots are accepted? This project isn't just about what goes on in those countries that have a high proportion of Wikipedians. It isn't just about the sophisticated standards that have developed over a long period of time in our key countries. It's also about educating editors in other countries, and you don't accomplish that with automated messages about the evils of copyvios. These techniques that one would associate with Gringo imperialism do nothing to draw newbies into our fraternity.
I don't see User:The Green Archer as having with a serious problem. In the spirit of "Don't bite the newbies" someone writing him a personal message or taking this "lad" under wing would have accomplished more in educating a new editor. Simply welcoming with an automated message that shows newcomers the way to "Help" and "FAQ" pages is our equivalent to an automated telephone message telling us to "Press 1 if ..., Press 2 if ..., Press 3 if... , ..."
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