Sorry to go on about this, but it really defies belief, sometimes, when you go into these things. I picked Yogscast because I'd just been watching an episode with my wife *and* I was just about 100% sure there wouldn't be an article on Wikipedia about them.
What are you to make of an exchange like this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG/Archive_4#Deletion_of_Yogsca...), really, if you're looking to write an article about the Yogscast?
Awesome, the file's nuked, and CIrelandhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CIreland salted the Yogscast page. I think we put a stopper on that! --HTMLCODER.exehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HTMLCODER.exe (talk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe) 23:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
"Awesome" in combination with "nuking" stuff and salting a page? Ack.
Michel
On 9 October 2011 01:38, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipedia@zog.org wrote:
Here's a couple of "discussions". In the very loosest sense of the term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Yogscast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/The_Yogsca...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shadow_of_Israp...
This says it all, really:
- *Delete* - Yet another attempt by fans of an unremarkable podcast to
find a way to promote themselves on Wikipedia. See the deletion logs for The YogPodhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_YogPod&action=edit&redlink=1 , The Yogscasthttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Yogscast&action=edit&redlink=1 , The yogscasthttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_yogscast&action=edit&redlink=1, and Yogscasthttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yogscast&action=edit&redlink=1 . MikeWazowski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeWazowski (talkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MikeWazowski) 14:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
And apparently it's personal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CIreland#The_Yogscast_Wikipedia_page
Excellent (imho) article start here, btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bastawhiz/The_Yogscast
On 9 October 2011 01:18, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipedia@zog.org wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogscast springs to mind.
A million followers on Youtube, arguably one of the factors in making Minecraft as popular as it is today, deleted time after time.
Michel Vuijlsteke
On 9 October 2011 01:11, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.comwrote:
One good place to look would be talkpages deleted per G8, especially where the article was deleted per A7.
Better still if you could get an extract of deleted talkpage edits by editors with less than 100 edits.
Or if you don't have access to deleted edits, an extract of Wikipedia space edits in subpages of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion by editors with fewer than 100 edits would find shed loads.
In my experience the most common argument against our notability concept is along the lines of "but he exists!". Which is more a failure to grasp the concept of notability as opposed to having an alternative concept of it.
More meaningful ones are along the lines of Wikipedia not embracing the Internet - our lack of regard for people with high youtube followings does seem perverse to some; And ones where notability is as yet uncertain such as new signings to major teams who haven't yet played for the team.
WereSpielChequers
On 8 October 2011 09:24, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2011/10/7 Johan Jönsson brevlistor@gmail.com:
do you remember any particular discussions about articles (on the
talk
page, or AfD if enough newcomers found their way there) on English Wikipedia where you could see that new editors/outsiders didn't agree with the concept of notability, or how notability is interpreted
among
(most) Wikipedians? I know that I've seen them, I just can't seem where to find them.
+1
These need collecting.
Deleting newcomers' hard work is one of our big PR problems. Even if, after contemplation, we decide we were actually right to do so.
When someone wanders into the sausage factory and the very first thing that happens is that they fall head-first into the meat grinder ... this is an *unfortunate* circumstance.
- d.
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