On 12/16/05, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
It sounds like your sensitivity on this is a little over the top. 1) I don't see the point of playing semantic games between facts and articles. Any article bigger than a sub-stub is going to be composed of a series of facts or alleged facts. So whatever ...
The difference between removing all unreferenced facts and removing all unreferenced articles is a huge one, and it is more than just semantics. Yes, articles consist of facts, but not all unreferenced facts are in an unreferenced article.
2) You're the one that suggested the 24 hour period before
deleting. Even AfD allows 5 days; you're proposing to make this an even bigger fuck-up. If these articles absolutely have to be deleted instead of being fixed, a month would be a more reasonable period. For those who don't spend a lot of time on their editing a 24-hour period is a joke.
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That wasn't my point. Try reading what I said again. Take a few breaths first. Read all the sentences. Don't just look at the number 24 and then start ranting.
This would only apply to brand new articles. And the time you have to add a single reference is unlimited. The article would simply be deleted (or moved somewhere) in the mean time. 24 hours is plenty of time for one person to find one source for all but the most obscure of topics. For those obscure topics the burden of proof should be on the article creator, not on the rest of us.
Alternatively, look at it this way. If we are creating new articles so quickly that we don't have time to find a single source for each one, then we should slow down new article creation and beef up on quality control.
Anthony
Anthony DiPierro wrote:
I find it hard to believe that you read anything that I actually said. You've completely misrepresented my points in two substantial ways.
- You talk about "non-referenced facts", while I am talking about
non-referenced articles. Not just facts that don't have sources, entire articles without a single reference to anything outside the encyclopedia. 2) You talk about how it's impossible for us to fix "every unreferenced article" within 24 hours. But I am not talking about *old* unreferenced articles, I'm talking about *new ones*. Fixing all the unreferenced articles we currently have will be hard, and it will take a long time. But we'll never get finished if we keep creating new ones.
This isn't a quick fix. It's the first step in a long process.
Anthony