2011/10/7 Johan Jönsson brevlistor@gmail.com:
do you remember any particular discussions about articles (on the talk page, or AfD if enough newcomers found their way there) on English Wikipedia where you could see that new editors/outsiders didn't agree with the concept of notability, or how notability is interpreted among (most) Wikipedians? I know that I've seen them, I just can't seem where to find them.
+1
These need collecting.
Deleting newcomers' hard work is one of our big PR problems. Even if, after contemplation, we decide we were actually right to do so.
When someone wanders into the sausage factory and the very first thing that happens is that they fall head-first into the meat grinder ... this is an *unfortunate* circumstance.
- d.