On 9/13/06, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
On 13/09/06, Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/13/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
I believe this is in fact a standard view on FAC - that if too many articles are passing then they need to be pickier. Which is fine if its goal is to award prizes for exceptional brilliance, but not if it's to pull up the quality of the whole encyclopedia - which is what I meant about whether the amount of editor work it takes to get past FAC is actually worth it for the effect on the article.
Maybe we could use the "A-Class" rating from the WikiProject assessments here? The projects would be in a good position to determine whether an article passed most of the FA criteria; what we'd get, presumably, are articles which are comprehensive, accurate, neutral, etc., but which may have minor faults -- particularly in regards to prose style -- that wouldn't quite meet the "very best work" criterion.
I've just been discussing this elsewhere, and my proposal:
At the top of the pyramid, leave FA as it is now, but emphasise that it's a prize for our (subjectively?) "best" articles rather than those which are objectively above a specific level (inclusive of shrubberies and other clutter).
This takes FAC in the direction it seems to naturally want to go, and allows us to make A-class into the "article scoring top marks and ticking all the boxes" level.
So we formalise A-class, adopt some way of centrally recording all of them like we do with good articles and featured articles. But what we don't do is create a formal process for it... rather, we leave it to the wikiprojects. They know the field; they know what's needed and what the normal conventions are and so on. There's a central set of standards, but they can modify those standards to their own fields (requiring maps for geographical articles, say), they hold the discussions in a fairly decentralised way, and everyone's happy.
Then the next layer of recognition is our trusty Good Articles, which at the moment are not quite working as anticipated (1400 articles?). We throw this open. Nominally, anyone can nominate and anyone can approve a GA; we want to emphasise this fact. Get projects to do it. Have ad-hoc committees do it. Have one editor mark some articles as candidates, then go to another and say "Can you look over this list and see what you agree with?". Bingo, much more throughput, much more chance of a good article being recognised as such.
(For good and A-class articles, yes, this could be open to abuse. But I can think of two or three ways offhand to handle abuses of the proposed system; it's worth at least giving it a shot)
I don't think this will solve all our problems - it won't magically create new good writing. But it will help us identify quality and it will help us appreciate its creators, and that'll bring many benefits...
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- Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
While there are potential abuses, there's still the ability to appeal/review a rating. An editor can always come along and say, "this article doesn't meet criteria x, y, and z" and downgrade the article. It all works out in a nice check-and-balance system, because if it turns into a rating war, we can always do an RfC, PR or something on that order.
Carl