On 12/12/05, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
MacGyverMagic/Mgm wrote:
I agree, DRV is making it quite hard to get valid stuff undeleted, but if one allows just two people to agree on stuff like this I expect a lot of deletion wars. Addressing people ignoring the need to undelete when new evidence is presented in DRV seems more useful to me. Have you got any particular case in mind?
That you are able to recognize that it's difficult to get things undeleted is important progress.
The agreement of two people to undelete does not imply that the undeletion will necessarily be permanent. Under the right circumstances it could be deleted again, and two new people could undelete it again, but my guess is that very few articles would go through the entire cycle more than twice. The deletion wars that you anticipate may be there shortly after a two person undeletion is passed, but will likely tail off within a month or two when the policy has had a chance to stabilize.
I've found that listing an article on AfD, and the ensuing strong keep vote, is a pretty effective way of damping down deletion wars that sometimes result from undeletion. It's not ideal but it's probably all that can be done while people are ready to speedy delete stuff on purely procedural grounds.
Having said that, lately we're getting articles that are being undeleted by DRV and then listed on AfD when no real reason exists for wanting to delete them, and also cases where DRV is being used to endorse bad speedy deletions.
[[Brian Walters]]. Prominent Melbourne barrister and civil libertarian. Article stated as much, and it's easily checked. There were numerous votes on DRV to keep it deleted until I did a quick google, undeleted and expanded it. The person who originally speedied it could have done the google and saved himself the bother of deleting.
[[The Form of Preaching]] Nominated by someone who thought the article was OR (presumably didn't google either). A few sheep-votes sealed it deletion. The guy whose student created it came to DRV and pointed out that the piece was very important in medieval rhetoric. For some reason, although undeleted, it got listed on AfD *yet again*.
[[Mary Welsh Hemingway]], prominent international journalist who, after covering World War II, married Ernest Hemingway. Was undeleted and, for no real reason, relisted. Speedy keep of this article has been strongly resisted.