--- Stan Shebs shebs@apple.com wrote:
james duffy wrote:
On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 09:35, The Cunctator wrote:
We actually did have a big discussion about
this and film ended up
being
nixed because of the problem of digital videa
replacing actual film
as the
medium for "films". Thus, "movie".
If that is the case, then surely 'movie', a word
linked with the
silent world of moving pictures, should be
replaced on wiki by 'talkie'.
And if the Cunctator's assertion is correct, then
we need to change
it. Non-Americans do not generally use the word
'movie'. It is a word
only occasionally used outside the US and usually
applied to heavily
Americanised Hollywood-ised blockbusters; Bruce
Willis saves the
world, gets the girl and wisecracks his way to the
conclusion, with
the promise of 5 sequels and billions of dollars
of merchandising to
come. In fact 'movie' is used internationally in
relation to 'film'
the way 'fast food' is used in relation to
'cuisine'. Stuff by Quentin
Tarantino is often described as 'film' whereas
something with Arnie,
Sly or that genre is invariably a 'movie'. And
anyone ever heard of a
'movie noir'?
In which case a disambiguator of '(movie)' is totally appropriate for the works of which you're contemptuous, eh? In fact, people could tell from the use of '(film)' vs '(movie)' in the article title whether it's one that you approve of, and thus know how to evaluate the worthiness of the article before reading it.
But seriously, there are a hundred ways that I could look down my nose at, say, Ireland and the Irish, yet you don't see me spewing those out at every opportunity. So cool it with the cultural superiority guff - nobody is actually interested in your opinion on what kind of material they should admire.
Of course, you're welcome to try to convince people to disambiguate with '(film)', but let me give you a hint - they'll be a lot easier to convince if you treat them with respect.
Stan
This whole debate is pointless. Who cares if we use movie or film. Neither one is ambiguous. Neither is really that "uncultured". It doesn't matter. Just make redirects from one to another (since some use movie and others film) or else pick one and adopt it as a standard. Pick a number 1 or 2. One of them is movie, the other film. It really doesn't matter which one is used. Will one of them detract from our goal of creating an encyclopedia? Just think of that when debating these pointless issues. -LittleDan
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