Hephaestos wrote:
Now that account banning is installed on en: I plan
to avail of it.
User:BuddhaInside has been trolling the 'pedia for
over two weeks now,
with no end in sight.
<snip>
I don't take using an account ban lightly, so this
is your chance to
either talk me out of it or yank my admin privileges
beforehand. I
intend to ban this account after another day or so.
Sanne said
I'm not going to comment on whether BuddhaInside should be banned, but I do oppose it being done in this way. We should only use the ban button to enforce hard bans (cautiously!) or cases of simple vandalism (If BuddhaInside's contributions are vandalism, then they can only be described as *complicated* vandalism)
Please don't do this Hephaestos, I think it would set a dangerous precedent. I don't think you (or I) should make this decision.
Regards,
sannse
I think this is precisely what I told Heph in the relevant talk page. I am embarassed by the process.
Either it is Jimbo to decide as before, and the process should be that Heph is just the hand of Jimbo decision. In this case, we fail in the goal which was also to remove a bottle neck, since we still rely on Jimbo, but we are not in a hurry. I understood that banning user name was mostly intended for Michael multiple names management. Not for more complicated case as this one.
Or we are big boys and girls and handle this ourselves. In this case, it should be done by classical discussion and consensus, just as is fit in this wiki. On the discussion page, most of what is discussed about is the blanking of this buddha talk page. And there are clearly no consensus that this is a reason for hard ban. I ask Heph to set a nice list of "wrongness" with links to support his decision. But...
As I told him, is it the right way that people wanting banning of something provide arguments and proofs for banning. Or is the right way that people opposing a banning have to provide arguments and proofs for it not to happen ? Or both ? Or is the answer just "let's ask Jimbo ?" (poor Jimbo :-))
I fear very much, that just because people were given technological tools to fight against very very very problematic users such as Michael, we will go solving issues that are not dramatic by just quietly saying "If no one speaks against, in 24 hours, I hit the button". And accumulate in a short time, far more banning than there ever was since the beginning of the project, under the benevolent rule of Jimbo (was that enough ? :-)).
I understand very much Heph tiredness. The best point in his decision is that it allows us to realise a new tool was provided, but that no discussion occurred upon how using it (except for pure hard Michael vandalism).
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