On 3/21/07, Philippe Beaudette philippebeaudette@gmail.com wrote:
Jossi,
We all appreciate that a great deal of work went into this. The problem is, despite all those efforts, people still didn't know. Jeff didn't know. I didn't know. I'm on wiki every day, and think of myself as fairly well informed. I get Signpost. I read VP as much as I possibly can. But I don't read every arb case that's published - why would I? Why would most of us, ESPECIALLY non-admins (like myself)?
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-02-19/News_an...
Verifiability + No Original Research = Attribution?
Work has been done to merge Verifiability and No Original Research into a single policy, Wikipedia:Attribution. Discussion is underway on Wikipedia talk:Attribution; the proposed move/merger has sparked significant discussion.
I can't tell you how many times I see people site V and NOR in discussions,
and not once in ANY of those that I saw did anyone mention this. That alone should tell you that there are well-informed editors that didn't know.
Also, your last paragraph ends with the words "that has not been disputed." Actually, your premise has been disputed. By Jimmy.
Philippe ----- Original Message ----- From: Jossi Fresco To: English Wikipedia Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOR and WP:ATT
On Mar 21, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Raymond wrote:
I'm in the process of trying to get [[Wikipedia:Article inclusion]] into something worthwhile. Will it work? Damned if I know, but I'm trying.
I am aware of Wikipedia:Article inclusion. Hope it gets somewhere.
But I also know that I need to make sure I touch as many people as possible to get the consensus to make it what it will end up being. I'm not sure if that really happened w/ATT.
These comments still puzzle me, Jeff. How can it be possible that you missed it? It was referred to in recent ArbCom cases (e.g. Free Republic); it was discussed *extensively* in the talk pages of V, NOR and RS, it was announced on the Village Pump...
The point that keeps being lost in this discussion is that WP:ATT is **not** a new policy or a new formulation of existing policy. WP:ATT is an effort to consolidate V and NOR into one easy-to-understand policy page, based on a need that has not been disputed.
-- Jossi
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