Summarizing a plot line from an outside source or re-writing it in one's own words also affects the meaning, and listing the outside source it was based on does not necessarily make it any the more objective. I know we make the distinction, but in practice the distinction when applied to straightforward description is a little artificial; even when direct quotes are used, the selection of the quotes can be used to change the intent.
On 5/19/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Ken Arromdee wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Ray Saintonge wrote:
No, not at all - by analogy to living biographies, where we do need sources for facts being important, rather than merely documented.
Not in the same sense. We need sources as evidence for importance, but we don't require that a source actually say "this fact is important". Importance is something we deduce from sources, not something which must be explicitly stated in them.
You aren't addressing the question though. It was about the fact that a given fact is a spoiler, or that it does in fact spoil someone's enjoyment. The question said nothing about "importance" or "notability". Referring to these throws in red herrings for the sole purpose of having a question that was easier to answer than the one that was actually asked.
Uhh, you do know what an analogy is, I hope?
Of course! It's as if in the story of the [[Three Little Pigs]] the first pig had made his house of spoiler warnings.
The point is that just like whether something is notable, whether something is a spoiler is a conclusion made about article content.
Ahhh! Now I understand. It's original research.
Conclusions made about article content don't require sources in the sense of finding a source that states the conclusion.
Carrying through the idea of being a tertiary source, if the plot line is available in a reliable source (whether on-line or dead tree) without a spoiler warning we should put only the information that we find. Anything else draws unwarranted conclusions.
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