Let's change the thread name, so it sounds less like a personal attack.
Ed Poor Mailing List Admin English Wikipedia
-----Original Message----- From: libertarian [mailto:libertarian@myway.com] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:51 PM To: wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Proof of Mark Richards' ignorance
Libertarian, if you wish to take this beyond whatever talk pages you and Mark have been arguing on previously, please give us some context. Or, preferably, don't - stick to the normal Wikipedia dispute resolution process.
Fair enough, I'll give you the context. But before that, I want you to know that I went through the normal dispute resolution process and submitted a list of factual errors in the existing documents and corrections along with detailed documentation.
The counter-party did not even bother to make such a submission and this was then buried without any resolution. I want to know why India and Hindus should be judged by radical Communists who indulge in propaganda and why such propaganda should be presented as FACT, while Christian nations are judged by people who owe allegience to Christianity and are usually from the mainstream White society.
The whole issue was about a firebombing of a train by Muslims (doing their regular religious duty) which sparked riots in India leaving hundreds of people dead (Hindus as well as Muslims, but naturally, the number of Muslims who were killed was more. This is due to the fact that Hindus outnumber Muslims.) Like any other Hindu-Muslim riot, the Muslims start it and the number of dead Muslims outnumber the number of dead Hindus.
The firebombing was twisted by Communists (both in India as well as by those posting on Wikipedia) as a sudden fight which erupted because the Hindu passengers (it turned out that many of them were women and babies) had provoked the Muslims.
Now, anyone with even a little analytical ability will realize that 2000 strong mob doesn't collect because two people squabbled over the price of tea. Secondly, how did they get cans of petrol and diesel which was enough to burn down a train? All of this happened within 3 minutes for which the train stopped at the station.
Coming to Wikipedia, the claim about some passenger squabbling over the price of tea and then dragging a Muslim girl (unidentified of course) into the train was circulated on the internet and that chain mail gave the name of a journalist as the eyewitness who saw the incident. It also had his phone number.
Some journalists who were superior phoned up the 'eyewitness' for confirmation and were taken aback when the 'eyewitness' said that some enemy of his had sent out that mail and he felt harassed by all the calls and that he had actually reported the opposite! I posted the articles which appeared in mainstream media pointing this out. Yet, the mediators after offering to mediate and making me go through due diligence collecting evidence and carefully documenting them, chose to pretend that I did not exist. Perhaps they were lazy. Perhaps their ignorance was being exploited.
The second point was a report by a self-appointed "Human Rights" group which was a Communist organization. The key person was a person named VR Krishna Iyer, who was a Communist and IS a Communist. I was hounded out of Wikipedia for saying this. The 'expert' from India was a college kid who knew nothing about Indian politics and was spewing Communist rhetoric. That chap was bewildered when I pointed out that VR Krishna Iyer was a Communist and the whole report was a string of allegations against unnamed people using usual Communist rhetoric. He needed to do a Google search to see if it was true. This is amazing because VRKI being a Communist is similar to Bill Clinton being a Democrat. There is no dispute here. Any Indian with half-baked knowledge will laugh at you if you try to dispute this claim.
All my points were obfuscated with the word alleged. Take my advice, if you are going to say that Bill Clinton is an alleged Democrat, it is Wikipedia's reputation which will suffer. All Communist propaganda has been presented as fact.
If VRKI's judgement of India is gospel, so too should be his judgement of USA. I think it is fair. Why should you be judged by a different yardstick? Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
I hope you know what Mumbai Resistance is about. It is a violent Communist organization which had its meeting in Mumbai while the World Social Forum meet was going on. Check out http://www.mumbairesistance.org/
That site also has a message from VR Krishna Iyer where he extends his support for this violent organization. http://www.mumbairesistance.org/Messages/justice%20vrkrishna.htm
Again, I went through the regular mediation process. I was the one who trusted the mediators. I was the one who took the trouble of explaining the situation. I was the one who documented my claims. I would prefer that this be sorted out in the open with trustworthy people, not people like Angela or Brian Corr who played a game of deception.
Again, I am willing to agree to the Communists' views of India as the one which should be put out on Wikipedia provided you agree to have their views of "imperialist" USA as mainstream views. We'll use "facts" about USA from the same crowd which wrote up that report. Fair enough?
-libertarian
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