geni wrote:
On 5/14/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
He did make that choice three months after uploading the image. It is a matter of speculation whether he would have changed the licence if he had been approached. The presumption should be that someone uploads under GFDL, and that presumption should hold in the absence of evidence to the contrary. In the case of a self-portrait it would be especially difficult to find contrary evidence. The fact that the picture was originally GFDL would not be changed by the addition of the CC-BY-ND licence.
The photo was never GFDL. The french upload form did not mention the GFDL when the upload was done so any assumption of GFDL is unwarranted.
Justttt for the record. I was there at that time, and I participate *heavily* in setting up a proper form.
The image was uploaded on the 14th of may 2004. At that time, the template was in this state: http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Uploadtext&oldid=447...
It said
Être vigilant sur les <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Copyright">copyrights</a> sans tomber dans la paranoïa. Pour l'utilisation de la doctrine <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/fair use</a>, merci de respecter les indications fournies sur <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Fair use</a> ; Des modèles pour les images sous fair use peuvent être trouvés sur <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Modèle">fair use</a> ;
Which refers to the Wikipedia:copyright of that time.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Copyright&oldid...
Which clearly mentions GFDL.
My memory of that time is that there was a crystal clear assumption that any image uploaded was GFDL. I doubly remember it because I worked heavily on all these pages, and I spent a LONG time working on this fair-use issue with Alex Roshuk. If you look at the history of these two links at that time, I was a major author of these pages.
Bottom line (not to argue with the fact Norbert image is free, it is not), uploads done at that time on the french wikipedia are under the assumption of GFDL license. At that time, the image was GFDL.
We worked a lot on licenses issues over that summer, and during summer 2004, we started applying tags. This is when Med and many others started tagging "unknown license" to force editors to make a clear statement. The image was taggued unknown in august and this is when Treanna changed the license.
Infancy :-)