On 13/09/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/13/05, Worldtraveller wikipedia@world-traveller.org wrote:
So how about scrapping afd/vfd and replacing with a system whereby an editor may tag an article with a 'candidate for deletion' tag and provide a rationale. Admins can patrol the resulting category, assess each case, delete as necessary. If someone disagrees with the deletion, they can either contact the admin who deleted to ask them to review their decision, or if they want wider community input there's vfu (which could be renamed afu?)
This seems to me to have the following advantages:
- It would de-centralise the process if people mainly contact the
deleting admin to query deletions. This would avoid a giant page of bad feeling. 2. An article on vfd might only attract 4-5 votes, which is not enough to really determine community consensus and so much is kept that probably should be deleted when things end with 'no consensus'. However, if things were deleted more quickly and restorations requested on vfu, the vfu decision would result in restoration if there was a clear consensus to include. If an article does not attract sufficient community input to determine consensus then it would remain deleted.
That's exactly why I oppose decentralization. If it's on a category instead of a centralized page, admin's can't see when notices are removed, and if I visit a category at two different times, it's very hard to see what's been added and what I've already voted for (I often work on different machines, so link color isn't always an indicator).
That's easily solved by just using a DynamicPageList to list the articles.
Worldtraveller's ideas have been proposed in several forms before, but AfD zealots always reject the idea as it would make their past-time harder (they'd have to go and edit talk pages, rather than edit all the votes on one big AfD page).
This is why I said it's impossible to get any sort of consensus for replacing AfD - the people who hang out there don't want it changed, and will (and have) vociferously oppose any proposals.
Dan