Maveric, as always I agree with you -- and you still carry my proxy (i.e., I'll vote with you on this).
We need to craft some written guidelines, a short list of no-no's -- so we can point to it and say, "You've violated this once too many times. Take a day/week/whatever suspension".
We also have to deal with the aftermath of a username ban, should our sponsor, Mr. Wales, agree to such a thing.
A "banned" user might just (a) post anonymously or (b) create a new alias. We would then face the puzzle of correlating the new contributions with the old user; it could get tricky.
Ed Poor
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mayer [mailto:maveric149@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 4:22 AM
To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: [WikiEN-l] RE: Lir needs to go
Disregard the user:V statement (it was made in a moment of anger caused by
what looked like another loss of a good contributor).
I still think Lir needs to be told to play nice or leave.
--Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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Disregard the user:V statement (it was made in a moment of anger caused by
what looked like another loss of a good contributor).
I still think Lir needs to be told to play nice or leave.
--Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Lir is still being an uncooperative pest. Every several days I spend a couple
of hours undoing daft moves she makes and arguing about the same arguments
over and over again about naming conventions (hint: we name things in
English). She also has the very rude habit of changing people's messages on
her talk page from critical to supportive - this is beyond rude and IMO
somehow morally repugnant and anti-social.
I for one am sick of having to deal with this pest and I'm sure I'm not alone
in this. If our Wikipetiquette policy means anything at all I suggest we
either re-ban her temporarily or at least take away her move page privileges
as a warning.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Axel Boldt wrote:
>Ed Poor wrote:
>
>> I am willing to moderate any English-language mailing list
>> that Elian wants me to moderate.
>
>I am against Ed administrating one of our mailing lists since he has
>repeatedly shown in the past that he is capable of all sorts of stupid
>actions in the heat of the moment.
>
>Axel
Ouch! I guess that excludes me and many other people too. I don't remember you
ever exhibiting "stupid actions in the heat of the moment" so I nominate you
to do the work.
Of course if you or somebody else who is similarly un-tainted doesn't want to
to do the work then I guess we will have to settle for Ed.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
I set the terse phrase identifying the wikiEN-l list to
"Discussion list for English-language Wikipedia"
You can see this on the http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo page.
P.S. That's the 2nd admin thing I've done to wikiEN-l and either one can be reverted on request.
Ed Poor
WikiEN-l Administrator (de facto and provisional)
I added the following to the WikiEN-l Info page at http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
> This list is about the English-language Wikipedia only.
> For issues relating to the Wikipedia project as a whole,
> please use Wikipedia-l mailing list.
Ed Poor
WikiEN-l Administrator (de facto and provisional)
an english list to reduce traffic at wikipedia-l
some guys from the de.wikipedia want to discuss the project
without hearing about TMC and related stuff in 95% of the mails...
there are a lot of us that think that such a list should exist,
and should take most of the traffic from <wikipedia-l>
Please try to decide if your message is of concern for wikipedia as a
whole (all language wikipedias) or if it concerns the English Wikipedia
only (problems with users or articles, projects, internal organization
etc.) and send your message accordingly.
You will help the foreigners a lot, who are struggling with the English
language and desperately trying to filter out the relevant stuff for them
on wikipedia-l ;-)
wikipedia-l should be about the
"project as whole", while wikien-l is specifically about the English
wikipedia.
Since the list is not moderated, it's just normal list-administration -
choosing taglines, settings and so on, but it is better if a
native-speaker does them.
All we need are the language-specific lists and a meta-list for
coordination. The meta-list should be wikipedia-l. Oh, and of course
wikitech-l.
Traffic on wikipedia-l is currently high because stuff related to the
English wiki only, esp. admin requests, goes there as well as policy
discussions. If we separate the two, traffic should be manageable.
I will stay on the en.list btw. I strongly support
this change to help the international ones to get more
involved, plus to make it clear what is a english
concern, and what should be a whole community concern.
The question was about administration, not moderation. Choosing
taglines, defining welcome greetings and all the technical stuff.
Ed said:
> Hello, everybody, and welcome to the new WikiEn-L mailing list.
>
> Here, we will discuss the many problems and challenges facing the English-language Wikipedia.
>
> On the old Wikipedia-L mailing list, we will focus on topics of concern to all Wikipedias regardless of language.
>
> I am willing to be a moderator for this list, if it needs one and people want me to do it.
>
> Ed Poor
>
Excellent! I was going to nominate
Mav but he takes on a lot already with
greeting, proofing, and coaching regarding
article titles.
A question to consider:
On meta issues that seem generally
applicable do we:
1. Migrate them immediately
to the main wikipedia list for discussion
there with other language people or
2. do we attempt to articulate the English consensus
or significant alternatives first and then engage the
other languages in discussion?
Regards,
Mike Irwin