WikiEN-l August 2009

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Re: [WikiEN-l] In development--BLP task force
by WJhonson＠aol.com 08 Aug '09

08 Aug '09

Interesting examples. For both O.J. and Phil I would assume we can create fairly complete biographies using appropriate souces. I am doubtful that we could really make a "biography" for Gary Glitter without a lot of unacceptable sources being used, or a too full reliance on a single source. Will In a message dated 8/7/2009 12:17:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pn007a2145(a)blueyonder.co.uk writes: As you say, Hitler and Stalin are extreme examples. When it comes, for example, to [[O J Simpson]], it becomes more moot, although I could suggest others, such as [[Gary Glitter]] and [[Phil Spector]].

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UNICEF: State of World's Minorities and Indigenous Peoples 2009
by Gerard Meijssen 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

**** Hoi, I think this is relevant and of interest to us all... Thanks, GerardM Report and related press release of interest... The Minority Rights Group International (MRG) in collaboration with UNICEF has recently released their "State of the World's Minorities and Indigenous Peoples 2009," which includes a full chapter on Multilingual Education. Links to the report: http://www.minorityrights.org/7948/state-of-the-worlds-minorities/state-of-… A press release focusing on Language: http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=47693 EDUCATION: Mother Tongue Absent in Thousands of Classrooms by Haider Rizvi Article: Indigenous Languages: A View from UNICEF http://www.minorityrights.org/download.php?id=664

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In development--BLP task force
by Cary Bass 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all! Given the recent Board Resolution on BLPs, I'm in the process of structuring a Biographies of Living Persons task force, to work together to come up with some firm recommendations and guidelines for dealing with the issue, to be made to the Wikipedia community, Foundation board and staff. In that respect, I'd like to solicit members of the community to take part in this project. If you are interested, please send me a brief email summarizing what your involvement in BLPs in the past has been and your own opinion as to why BLPs are such a problematic area. You can email me direct at cary(a)wikimedia.org. Initially, this task force should focus on the English Wikipedia, but its recommendations may also be applicable for other projects; so anyone with an interest may be appropriate. I'm putting this out there now, because my availability over the coming weeks before Wikimania will be somewhat limited, so forgive me if you respond with interest immediately and I don't get back to you right away. I expect development of this task force to go into high gear in September. Thank you for your interest. Very truly yours, Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkp5w1AACgkQyQg4JSymDYnJ6QCgmR4fDzBDLJIe5dXNS1s9Salr MxsAoOB+YewbKawBdMtFtzqnkWKvrfJJ =82hc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue
by WJhonson＠aol.com 06 Aug '09

06 Aug '09

Or perhaps you are misunderstand what I requested. Being flip and hyperbolic isn't an effective way to argue. I am not stating that *some* psychologists aren't saying that publishing the (effective) answer-sheet is harmful. I am stating that "Psychologists" are not saying this. That is, where is the indication that the majority or even a large percentage of psychologists feel this way? Ad-hoc discussion pages really don't offer proof of what any certain percentage of a population believes. Will In a message dated 8/4/2009 12:55:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, arromdee(a)rahul.net writes: You're making a highly disingenuous request. Professionals who want the pictures removed don't claim it's because of money. They give other reasons, which have already been repeated. The only way you can get the idea that it's money is by deciding that since you don't believe their stated reasons, it has to be money instead. You may as well ask for evidence that they're not really doing it because they're space aliens.

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Wow, I want to read the book now
by David Gerard 05 Aug '09

05 Aug '09

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/08/one-mans-stand-against-digi… - d.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue
by WJhonson＠aol.com 05 Aug '09

05 Aug '09

Insufficient. Being rude isn't going to win converts to the cause. In a message dated 8/4/2009 8:50:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, arromdee(a)rahul.net writes: Of what? Complaints not based on money? Read the discussion page, sheesh.

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Rorschach wars continue
by Gwern Branwen 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/technology/internet/29inkblot.html "Has Wikipedia Created a Rorschach Cheat Sheet?" ' Yet in the last few months, the online encyclopedia Wikipedia has been engulfed in a furious debate involving psychologists who are angry that the 10 original Rorschach plates are reproduced online, along with common responses for each. For them, the Wikipedia page is the equivalent of posting an answer sheet to next year’s SAT. They are pitted against the overwhelming majority of Wikipedia’s users, who share the site’s “free culture” ethos, which opposes the suppression of information that it is legal to publish. (Because the Rorschach plates were created nearly 90 years ago, they have lost their copyright protection in the United States.)' ... 'Trudi Finger, a spokeswoman for Hogrefe & Huber Publishing, the German company that bought an early publisher of Hermann Rorschach’s book, said in an e-mail message last week: “We are assessing legal steps against Wikimedia,” referring to the foundation that runs the Wikipedia sites. Skip to next paragraph “It is therefore unbelievably reckless and even cynical of Wikipedia,” she said, “to on one hand point out the concerns and dangers voiced by recognized scientists and important professional associations and on the other hand — in the same article — publish the test material along with supposedly ‘expected responses.’ ” Mike Godwin, the general counsel at Wikimedia, hardly sounded concerned, saying he “had to laugh a bit” at the legal and ethical arguments made in the statement from Hogrefe. Hogrefe licenses a number of companies in the United States to sell the plates along with interpretative material. One such distributor, Western Psychological Services, sells the plates themselves for $110 and a larger kit for $185.' I'm starting to think maybe the Signpost or Foundation should start soliciting donations from Noam Cohen - he only ever seems to write based on them... -- gwern

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Thanks for the help
by Bod Notbod 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

'lo, Had a few days of posts to catch up on, but have now finally seen people's responses to my question regarding where I should devote my energies on en:wp. The answer: providing citations. Yes, I can see how this is an area that needs help. My energy levels and ability to concentrate are hindered by health problems and I think providing good citations for statements in articles will sometimes be a bit of a challenge. However, I do have good days, so when I'm feeling capable I'll look to work on that area. Thanks for the input. bnb

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Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 72, Issue 76
by WereSpielChequers 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

Todays New Scientist (vol 203 no 2718 page 20/21) has an interesting article on the veracity of online medical information; with several somewhat inconsistent references to wikipedia. It admits that several studies have found us "almost entirely free of factual errors", though does criticise us for incompleteness, alleging that some drug firms have been removing negative info about their products. But it also finds it disconcerting that 50% of doctors use Wikipedia. It ends with the assertion that "The Wikipedia of the future, it seems, looks set to become a far more reputable place." Having quoted one pundit who thought it would be easier to improve wikipedia. One interesting contrast is with sites that only allow qualified Doctors to edit them, but it seems that New Scientist's current substantive criticism is our incompleteness, not our veracity. -- WereSpielChequers

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Wikimedia Strategic Planning Office Hours
by Philippe Beaudette 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

Hi folks: This is just a reminder: Eugene and I will be having our regular weekly office hours to discuss strategic planning. The time for this week is: Tuesdays from 20:00-21:00 UTC, which is: Tuesday, 1-2pm PDT or Tuesday, 4-5pm EDT. The office hours will be held in #wikimedia on the IRC freenode network. You can get more information at: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Office_Hours Hope to see you there! ____________________ Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategic Planning Wikimedia Foundation pbeaudette(a)wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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