I'm pleased to announce the newest issue of the The Wikipedia Signpost:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost
which has several important changes:
* A new editor: User:Sageross has agreed to take over as editor in
chief from User:Ral315, who was editor from Sept. 2005-Dec. 2008.
Ral315 did an amazing job in keeping the Signpost going for so long
and we are all very grateful for all his hard work.
* A new look: with a design led by User:Pretzels, the main page of the
'Post is redesigned.
* New coverage: The Signpost plans to cover more community news, both
from within the English Wikipedia and from the whole family of other
Wikipedias and Wikimedia projects. For instance, this issue contains a
story on the Commons Picture of the year contest. This issue also
debuts a new feature: The "Discussion Reports And Miscellaneous
Articulations" (DRAMA) report, which covers ongoing discussion threads
that are happening on en:wp. We all know it's tough to keep up with
all the interesting discussions that happen, and it's our hope that
the Signpost can play a role in making these conversations more
accessible to busy editors. This new feature will be refined over the
coming weeks and suggestions are welcome.
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-- Phoebe
Forwarded from foundation-l.
At the time of writing we have 7272 links to *.yu sites on enwp; I'm
not offhand sure how many of those are in articlespace, but it looks
like a fair proportion.
Anyone interested in taking on the task of replacing them?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.yu>
Date: 2009/2/16
Subject: [Foundation-l] .YU domain transition
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
I would like to draw Wikimedians' attention to the problem of expiring .yu top
level domain.
As is known, .yu top level domain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yu ) is
being replaced with .rs and .me TLDs. This means that all web pages under .yu
domain will stop working, including all 46102 that are linked from various
Wikimedia projects: some will stop as soon as March, while all will stop in
October. This further means that readers of Wikimedia projects will not be
able to access information that is now available to them, either if a domain
is used as an external link or if it is used as an article reference.
Especially the latter is very important since, with massive link loss, a
large number of references could no longer be evaluated by the readers and
editors.
To solve this problem, I have made a statistics of .yu domain use on Wikimedia
projects ( http://toolserver.org/~nikola/yustats.tar.bz2 ) and, with its
help, replaced at least the most common links on Serbian Wikipedia with their
appropriate equivalents.
However, given that I am not able to do the same on other projects, I would
like to attract attention of people who are willing to help and can do
necessary botwork to fix as many soon-to-be broken links as possible. Please
reply if you can help in any way or have any other advice. If you are a bot
operator, you can do it easily with the standard pywikipediabot. Here is a
sample command I used:
python
replace.py -weblink:webrzs.statserb.sr.gov.yu
"webrzs.statserb.sr.gov.yu" "webrzs.stat.gov.rs"
==The domains==
This is a list of domains that are already search/replaced on Serbian
Wikipedia. This list includes most of the most common domains and covered
perhaps a quarter of all links (even while not counting
webrzs.statserb.sr.gov.yu that was included via a few templates).
{|
!From!To
|-
||webrzs.statserb.sr.gov.yu||webrzs.stat.gov.rs
|-
||www.rastko.org.yu||www.rastko.org.rs
|-
||www.reprezentacija.co.yu||www.reprezentacija.rs
|-
||www.blic.co.yu||www.blic.co.rs
|-
||www.beograd.org.yu||www.beograd.org.rs
|-
||arhiva.glas-javnosti.co.yu||arhiva.glas-javnosti.rs
|-
||www.srpsko-nasledje.co.yu||www.srpsko-nasledje.co.rs
|-
||www.dnevnik.co.yu||www.dnevnik.rs
|-
||www.srbija.sr.gov.yu||www.srbija.gov.rs
|-
||www.kurir-info.co.yu/Arhiva||arhiva.kurir-info.rs/Arhiva
|-
||www.kurir-info.co.yu/arhiva||arhiva.kurir-info.rs/arhiva
|-
||www.kurir-info.co.yu||www.kurir-info.rs
|-
||arhiva.kurir-info.co.yu||arhiva.kurir-info.rs
|-
||www.prvaliga.co.yu||www.prvaliga.rs
|-
||www.mitropolija.cg.yu||www.mitropolija.me
|-
||www.spc.yu/sr||www.spc.rs/sr
|-
||www.sk.co.yu||www.sk.co.rs
|-
||www.ekoforum.org.yu||www.ekoforum.org
|-
||www.svevlad.org.yu||www.svevlad.org.rs
|-
||www.posta.co.yu||www.posta.rs
|-
||www.glas-javnosti.co.yu||www.glas-javnosti.rs
|-
||www.fscg.cg.yu||www.fscg.co.me
|-
||ww1.rts.co.yu/euro||ww1.rts.co.rs/euro
|}
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In a message dated 2/15/2009 7:36:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
scream(a)datascreamer.com writes:
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WJhonson(a)aol.com wrote:
> Indefinite blocks (until the editor bows to random authority) for
> "incivility" are overboard.
> Esp. in light of the fact that the vast majority of admins take no time
to
> determine the cause of the incivility.
> Many cases of "incivility" are in-my-mind completely justified.
> Indefinite blocks do nothing but inflame the situation.
>
> Will Johnson
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/15/2009 11:50:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> scream(a)datascreamer.com writes:
>
>>
> No, I don't think so. Short 3RR blocks for incivility would be punitive
> since the logic would be "For incivility you get a 24H block as
> punishment". I would posit that a warning to the editor would suffice,
> then based on the asshattedness of the editor, a preventative block.
> Unblock as soon as they assert that they will not repeat the offense.
>
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>
> Jon
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Jon my response was to the idea that a person would be blocked until they
agreed that "they will not repeat the offense".
If it's a situation was a person was provoked and I'm sure all of us who've
been around a while have situations where people are provoked, then they may
feel like Wikipedia is just a mob gang out to "get" them. I really don't
like the idea of creating more long-term vandals over minor offenses.
In the case where a person is a problematic, repeat offender, has been
warned several times by uninvolved admins, than a block "until you stop being so
offensive" might be in order.
In the case where a person is mostly productive *until that fateful day*
where they decide to add a comma to the "Palestinian rights" article (or
whatever) and get drawn into a heated battle where they are provoked to the point of
exploding, I wouldn't advocate a project position like this. In conflict
situations almost anything can be taken as "incivil" and creating a policy like
this would only be used to beat up on opponents. In my view.
Will Johnson
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Well after the recent lengthy discussion and civility etc on this
list, and this
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminshi…>comment,
I've been thinking about a solution for incivility. Wouldn't a 3RR-like
system be good? Users get a warning for a personal attack, and if they do it
again a short block. There's obviously the problem that different people
regard different things as personal attacks, but it's food for thought....
Marc I will not continue the discussion with you, until you apologize for
stating that "I was a big part of the problem".
I find that remark highly offensive and a personal attack. That you
apparently don't see that seems relatively curious to me.
Will
In a message dated 2/15/2009 4:55:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net writes:
When he answers the question I will continue the
discussion with him.
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Thank you George for that insiteful summary of the situation. I agree with
your position entirely.
Will Johnson
In a message dated 2/15/2009 7:22:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
george.herbert(a)gmail.com writes:
It's important in this to acknowledge that there are both single-party
incidents and more complex ones. Treating more complex ones as if they were
single-party will become a tyranny of the mob in short order - a bunch of
people show up and bait someone with a short fuze, and then call for ANI,
and that's all she wrote. That's not right at all.
But sometimes, there is no second side, it's just party A going ape over
something.
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Really? And by saying that *I* am a "big part of the problem" are you
instituting a personal attack on me?
Are you being incivil and therefore taking a hypocritical position?
Ask yourself that question and let me know the answer before we proceed.
Thanks
In a message dated 2/15/2009 2:24:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net writes:
Will, by this statement, and your attitudes displayed in other of your posts
on this subject clearly shows that you are a big part of the problem here.
What really are your objections to this whole issue?
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I'd call it simple vandalism really.
It's not really intended to be "offensive" in the way that say "You are
stupid, ugly, fat, lazy and worthless" would be, and maybe "I have proof that you
have three abortions last year." or whatever.
It's like "you're a fag". It's so funny or meaningless, that it's not
offensive enough to be really "incivil". More the actions of a juvenile tagger.
So it should be treated as vandalism.
Will
In a message dated 2/15/2009 12:32:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
pattonabc(a)gmail.com writes:
"I hate Ottava Rima" (An editor) is clearly incivility
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