In a message dated 3/2/2008 1:30:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
geniice(a)gmail.com writes:
Extremely useful one. The quality of the average fair use rational for
a pic on a living person bio is basically crap and since there is
almost never any criticism or comment on the actual picture in the
article the odds of building a worthwhile fair use case are basically
zlich. Thus technicaly they could be nailed under EDP section 10)C but
since that would involve trying to teach your average internet user
about fair use law it is far less effort all round to zap them under
EDP section 1)>>
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I don't really address issues by what is "less effort". I try to address
them by what would enhance the project more. I'm not sure referring to our
valued editors contributions, even if not well-informed, as "basically crap" is a
useful position to take.
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 1:20:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
geniice(a)gmail.com writes:
There are many areas where it repeats the law. The case we were
dealing with was one of them.>>
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False. The law is quite clear on the ability to use fair-use images. The
Non-Free policy does not repeat the law, it extends the law quite
dramatically, in my opinion.
The case we were dealing with, would fall under a fair-use. The law does
not define, except by silence, what is *free use* at any rate.
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 1:19:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
eugene(a)vanderpijll.nl writes:
> It's just that policy doesn't agree with you on this point. The board
> has said we shouldn't rely on fair use until we have a free-use image.>>
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"The board has said we shouldn't rely on fair use UNTIL we have a free use"
This is not what the board has said.
IF we had a free use image, we would not need a fair use one.
Somehow I think you've missed a word in there somewhere.
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 12:47:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dgerard(a)gmail.com writes:
So a fairly hard-arsed policy of (almost) no non-free images on living
bios notably works to get us, and hence the world, more free content,
often quite good free content. And once it's free content, it's free
forever [*].>>
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And the harm to the project is hundreds if not thousands of article with no
picture of the biographed whatsoever. Seems like quite a harmful
interpretation to me.
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 12:25:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
geniice(a)gmail.com writes:
You will agree that PD images may be uploaded yes? Now what decides if
an image is PD. Could be the law?>>
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Red herring.
Saying that one minor sub-section is repeating the law, is not tantamount to
stating that the entire policy is doing the same thing.
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 12:48:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
eugene(a)vanderpijll.nl writes:
It's just that policy doesn't agree with you on this point. The board
has said we shouldn't rely on fair use until we have a free-use image.>>
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Can you see that this sentence is illogical?
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 1:08:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dgerard(a)gmail.com writes:
YES, IT'S A PITY THE FOUNDATION, WHO RUN THE SERVERS, AGREE WITH THEM, ISN'T
IT.>>
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By the way, screaming really doesn't add weight to your interpretation of
policy.
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 1:08:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dgerard(a)gmail.com writes:
YES, IT'S A PITY THE FOUNDATION, WHO RUN THE SERVERS, AGREE WITH THEM, ISN'T
IT.>>
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I do agree, having been around this project for four years (and counting),
that's it far easier to claim that a certain interpretation is based on policy,
rather than to actually read and understand the policy.
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 1:03:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dgerard(a)gmail.com writes:
- and hope you will read and understand them, because banging the
'fair use' drum the way you are indicates you don't understand them.>>
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Or it might indicate, that the free-image camp is going too far :)
There's always two ways to view the same argument.
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In a message dated 3/2/2008 1:04:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dgerard(a)gmail.com writes:
see what you mean. However, such images lose to the Foundation content
policy.>>
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The policy uses a fairly particular language. Language is always open to
various types of interpretation, I'm sure you would agree with that.
We have had, for some time, particular language on many policies and yet we
are constantly faced with situations which have to be interpreted *within*
that language. This is no exception to that.
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