WikiEN-l January 2008

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iPhoning Wikipedia
by charles.r.matthews＠ntlworld.com 21 Jan '08

21 Jan '08

Could someone with a technical background give me the latest on accessing WP from a current mobile phone, such as an iPhone? Is what is said at [[Wikipedia:WAP access]] the last word? Charles ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

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Found on Usenet
by James Farrar 21 Jan '08

21 Jan '08

Message-ID: <Xns9A2BA4F6679BFwhhvans(a)news.albasani.net> "AFAICT, though, the Wikipedia model appears to accept "has been posted to Wikipedia by multiple contributors" as constituting verification. Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation. It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about something, having a chat."

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CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities?
by Ian A Holton 21 Jan '08

21 Jan '08

Hey! Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial development count as a location? Ian [[User:Poeloq]] P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future reference.

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So, has the need for consensus in wikipedia been eliminated?
by Avi 21 Jan '08

21 Jan '08

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_rollback So, have we come to the point where User Rights:Developer trumps User rights:Editor? As pointed out on WP:AN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Wikipe…, the difference between the ratios was not statistically significant from last time to this time. If wikipedia is going to devolve into a strictly hierarchical caste structure, the project will suffer immensely for it. --Avi -- en:User:Avraham ---- pub 1024D/785EA229 3/6/2007 Avi (Wikipedia-related) <aviwiki(a)gmail.com> Primary key fingerprint: D233 20E7 0697 C3BC 4445 7D45 CBA0 3F46 785E A229

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[WikiEn-l] Pedophilia Watch, Wikisposure.com and a strange AfD
by Nathan 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Adult-child_se… This AfD raises a number of interesting questions for Wikipedia - * How does Wikipedia handle pedophilia related articles? Haphazardly, in a coordinated way, not at all? * Is there a method for protecting editors from the sort of exposition that goes on at sites like Wikisposure.com? * Can we reasonably expect an article like this that appears to be a POV-fork to become sufficiently referenced and erudite such that it isn't a magnet for pedophilia POV-warriors? * In the past, self-identified pedophiles have been banned immediately based only on that identification. Now that they have learned to not self-out (as evidenced by some of the diffs linked to on the Wikisposure page) is there a 'next step' for dealing with tendentious editing on this issue? * The Pedophilia Article Watch (might be messing up the name) is essentially a research group that seeks out and counters pro-pedophilia or seemingly pro-pedophilia articles and article edits (I think). This is obviously a POV-based project, but it represents a POV that I think few would disagree with. Still, what is the status of a project like this? Interested to hear a spectrum of opinions about this, Nathan

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reposting for feedback on wiki (Ip block exempt)
by NavouWiki 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

Wider audience for commenting requested... A proposal has started to allow established or trusted editors to edit via Tor, or other anon proxy. This discussion is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_exemption_policy talk page The proposed policy in its "needs to be worked on" form is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_exemption_policy project page Best regards, Merc Postscript: I have also posted this to the foundation mailing list die to the large interest in this type of change, I believe it may be of interest to the foundation mailing list audience.

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Servers down?
by Elias Friedman 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

I can view articles, and even use the edit window's preview function, but I can't save any changes. -- Elias Friedman A.S., EMT-P President Congregation Knesseth Israel http://www.ellingtonshul.org/ elipongo(a)gmail.com http://elipongo.blogspot.com/

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POV Pusher: How to deal with him/then?
by Ian A Holton 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

Hey! I've been involved in my first, and hopefully last, dispute over the People's Republic of China article. An editor named Otolemur crassicaudatus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Otolemur_crassicaudatus) keeps pushing POV and removing certain images (polution in China, Tiananmen protests) and text that is NPOV written and well sourced. He seems to be generally pushing POV, as his AfD on [[Muslim population growth in India]] shows. What is the best way to deal with such problematic editors? I have left a message on his talk page and will wait what happens. But what if he starts doing it again? It's troublesome having to keep an eye on one editor, just because he doesn't believe that negative aspects can be written in a NPOV way/ Ian [[User:Poeloq]]

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How can to make technical articles easier for non-experts to understand?
by Jason Spiro 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

Andrew Miller wrote: > I'm not familiar with 'consumer's surplus'. What does it mean? Peter Spiro replied: > Consumers' surplus exists in markets where all consumers pay the same > price for the same good or service. Consumers are all different people, > and the good or service X is more important (and hence more valuable) to > some people than others. However, in a competitive market, the price is > actually determined by what it's worth to the marginal consumer who > values it the least. All the other consumers are getting more than > their money's worth, so to speak, and this is their surplus. > > In non-competitive markets, such as airlines, the company charges more > for the same flight to different types of customers, attempting to grab > back this surplus. There's an article on the concept at Wikipedia[...] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers%27_surplus I like your explanation better: especially with the example, it is easier to understand. Now I wonder: How can Wikipedia get contributors to make articles less technical and easier for non-experts to understand? * i.e. add examples? * Or have an initial "easy explanation" section then a later advanced explanation section? * Or what? Cheers, -- Jason Spiro: corporate trainer, web developer, IT consultant. I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs and get a free estimate. Email: info(a)jspiro.com / MSN: jasonspiro(a)hotmail.com

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New namespace proposal for later
by Jonathan (Wikipedia) 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

I think that we might be able to create a Tutorial:* namespace when we get quite a few more Signpost tutorials. I think that it'd be easier than having to dig up those tutorials by searching through the Signpost archives. Thoughts? Jonathan

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