WikiEN-l January 2008

wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org

127 participants
114 discussions

Footnoting the real world
by David Gerard 06 Jan '08

06 Jan '08

http://gawker.com/340814/wikinerds-take-over-the-real-world We so so so need "[citation needed]" stickers in the Cafepress store. - d.

10 11

Notability etymology and history (was Re: WP:EPISODE)
by Steve Bennett 05 Jan '08

05 Jan '08

On 12/31/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Remember that "notability" is a Wikipedia jargon word back-formed from > the use of "non-notable" on AFD to mean "I've never heard of it." Really? Steve

11 34

Sockpuppets?
by Meg Ireland 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

Something just struck me as very odd with some edit patterns: User:WesleyDodds User:75pickup Are they one in the same person? I noticed they both just edited the Led Zeppelin II article, and looking back at their contributions I was surprised in noticing they edited Oasis and Primal Scream at almost the same time periods, for some months now. Then User:Indopug appears on the December 24th, I noticed very similar editing patterns as well. Led Zeppelin II, Stone Roses, The Smashing Pumpkins, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Joy Division, clasifying every article B class... etc What gives? Megan

3 3

Discussion forum - The WikBack
by simonpedia 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

Dear Anthony, I had to say something about this one as it’s been a discussion across so many wikmedia lists over the past years. Sorry about having to repeat all the stuff below but you know how it is – email is lousy for keeping threads together, so repetition is constant while our monthly usage is wasted. Even though I’m across another five lists in the wikimedia.org domain, it still needs me to register = prove that I won’t contaminate this one; we can’t expect anything otherwise with horizontally challenged elists. And you will know the time it takes to delete the spam produced from all of them, with 95% of all emails being spam these days. Let me use the ammunition you have provided for us and quote from Ben at Citizendium. HYPERLINK "http://mail.citizendium.org/pipermail/sharedknowing/2007-December/000001.ht ml"http://mail.citizendium.org/pipermail/sharedknowing/2007-December/000001. html “Wikis are bad for resolving disagreements or determining consensus. The wiki renders no verdict." In the same manner elists are atrocious for sharing a discussion across projects (and their domains) since once they’re underway, busy people, quite reasonably, are stuck in their groove, with their mates, who help filter the good from crap. Every media technology has its strengths and weaknesses. The effect of the wiki/list server combination has been to create different types of libraries of various quality articles, coupled with narrow communication channels in which the technically knowledgeable are safe from curious interlopers. So when such ideas (E.g) as broadening a reference desk are suggested it becomes heresy for it to be considered at a meta or extra-project level. HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#WP:Refe rence_Desk_should_be_split_off_into_its_own_separate_project"http://en.wikip edia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#WP:Reference_Desk_shoul d_be_split_off_into_its_own_separate_project ; that is, it cannot be considered by the broader community at all due to the nature of the silos. And that’s before you even consider adapting an English library for another language. HYPERLINK "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multilingual_coordination"http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multilingual_coordination So let me just note an emailed proposal from Eric about a year ago. HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-January/026707.html" http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-January/026707.html He also stuck the content over here. HYPERLINK "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Outreach"http://meta.wikimedia.org /wiki/Wikimedia_Outreach He finishes off the prop with “There are literally thousands of groups we want to work with in our global strategy to spread free knowledge. This cannot be handled by a small committee or the staff of a chapter; it needs the support of a global community of volunteers”. Sounds fair, no? Well I don’t know if that is gonna work either. But it’s a good attempt to get a few groovologists to jump. Ultimately we are trying to support global groups do what they do better, faster, easier, and once. So forums would be one step. But I would hope we might start getting serious this year about actually talking in REAL TIME rather than just writing asynchronously all the time. OK That’s enough for this year. Back to groundhog day. Again and again and again. PS. You should be able to set up a flag on a forum and get notice of a new thread, no problem. But theoretically, you’ll never get a forum to pick up all the references in an email header and put it in the right place. Cause some moderator might decide the conversation is not in the right spot in the first place. And as they can understand a broader environment, they’re probably right. Luv and kisses. On Jan 1, 2008 1:52 PM, Earle Martin <HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l"wikipedia at downlode.org> wrote: > On 28/12/2007, Risker <HYPERLINK "http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l"risker.wp at gmail.com> wrote: > > > A good idea, UC; forums are usually better at threaded conversation and > > it is much easier to correct things when folks go off-topic. > > A bad idea. Forums are manifestly inferior to email, which can be read > from anywhere using a number of methods, instead of having to go to a > site and use some hateful forum software. Not that I feel the need to > post here often, but it offers more value than any forum can. I > certainly won't be joining. > I think the biggest advantage of email lists is that I can access all of them in one place. I'm subscribed to about a dozen different mailing lists which I can access all at once under the "mailing lists" label in gmail. So I get threads from Larry Sanger's SharedKnowing mailing list (HYPERLINK "http://mail.citizendium.org/mailman/listinfo/sharedknowing"http://mail.citi zendium.org/mailman/listinfo/sharedknowing) mixed with threads from the Tor mailing list or-talk (HYPERLINK "http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/"http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/) mixed with threads from the Tampa linux user group (HYPERLINK "http://slug.archives.nks.net/List/"http://slug.archives.nks.net/List/) mixed with threads from the OpenStreetMap mailing list, etc. I can search all of these from one location, no one can delete messages on them out from under me, I find it very convenient. If I want to read one of the mailing lists individually I can do that too, but I pretty much never do this. I guess some people wouldn't like this, but for me it's almost essential. When Citizendium switched their mailing list to forums and made their mailing list announce-only, my participation fell off dramatically. I've recently tried setting up their forums to send me an email whenever a new thread on the forums is started, but it isn't working very well. Gmail doesn't thread it properly, I have to mark each thread I want to follow separately, I lose the messages between the first and whenever I marked the thread. It doesn't work. In theory there should be a way to get the best of both worlds, though. Just let me set a flag on the forum to send me an email every time a message is added, properly titled and referenced for any email program which handles threading, and let me reply to the messages by email (and pick up the references or whatever in the email header to direct the message to the right spot in the forums). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 2/01/2008 11:29 AM

2 1

Legal obligation to report Wikipedia editor under UCMJ (Mike G weigh in?)
by Nathan 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Orangemarlin#Contacting_people.27s_e… This is an interesting thread (one of a few on this subject, including in the Jimsch62 (sp) RfAr) - two editors who are in the military/work for the US government claim that it is their legal responsibility to report to the USAF the use of a military PC to edit Wikipedia because that is a violation of the UCMJ. I'm curious about whether that is true, and if it is why we don't block .mil IPs from editing en masse. Mike Godwin, do you have an opinion on this issue? Nathan

14 21

Re: [WikiEN-l] Interesting fact
by Daniel R. Tobias 04 Jan '08

04 Jan '08

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:58:39 +0000, "Thomas Dalton" <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/12/2007, Nachman <nachman.chayal(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Additionally, it turns out that if intelligence employees have their names > > published on a site like Wikipedia (even without a connection to their > > position) they are dismissed or transferred to a public position (i.e . > > public relations). > > > > The quote was "Hello, we found your name on Wikipedia. You're the new CIA > > job fair representative." > > That would be an extremely stupid policy... so it's probably true. After all, the "intelligence" in their name doesn't refer to the sort that is measured by IQ tests. -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

7 8

New arbitrators named
by Ral315 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

Congratulations to the new arbitrators named, and to FloNight, whose term was extended by one year: Newyorkbrad -- 3-year term FT2 -- 3-year term FayssalF -- 3-year term Sam Blacketer -- 3-year term Deskana -- 3-year term Thebainer -- 1-year term http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-12-26/Arbitr… -- Sincerely, Ral315 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ral315

14 18

Re: [WikiEN-l] Legal obligation to report Wikipedia editor under UCMJ (Mike G weigh in?) clarify
by David Goodman 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

I'm talking about the ethics as i personally see it, not legal questions. On Jan 3, 2008 8:17 AM, David Goodman <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Assuming the employer has a policy totally prohibiting incidental use of > the internet, the only ethical thing for Foo to do is to remind Baz to edit > from home. > This would be true in all situation unless it were specifically part of > Foo's normal functions to detect & report violations of this policy--and in > that case i would be concerned whether Foo may have trapped Baz by inducing > him to violate it. > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 5:13 AM, Luna <lunasantin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Well, let's break this down into slightly more abstract, essential > > elements > > and questions: > > > > Users Foo and Baz are in a dispute. Baz edits from work, sometimes. Foo > > realizes this, and says they're going to contact Baz's employer to > > inform > > them of this workplace policy violation. > > > > Is this a problem? > > > > Does it matter if Foo and Baz work for the same employer? > > > > Does it matter if that employer is a government agency? > > > > -Luna > > _______________________________________________ > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > > > > -- > David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG > -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG

1 0

Inconsistent image argument.
by Meg Ireland 03 Jan '08

03 Jan '08

I find it hypocritical that User:Save Us 229 has removed a logo on the basis of copyright violation, and then proceeded to add Image:Zoso.svg in the image link space instead, then blanked all other links The users edits on this issue makes little sense. Megan

5 7

What to do about messages/edits from the same user with multiple IP addresses?
by wikipediaman 02 Jan '08

02 Jan '08

Hi, Sorry if this has been asked before. I've looked everywhere I can think of on Wikipedia to find out what to do. On a particular contentious article I'm editing, there are 3 IP addresses editing the article on one side of the debate. After looking these IP's up on http://www.ip-adress.com/, 2 are from the same city and 1 is from a city 30 miles away. Thus, it sppears as though somebody is playing games and editing as though they are 3 different people (the city isn't a big city or anything so can't be by chance). Anyone know what I can do about this? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/What-to-do-about-messages-edits-from-the-same-user-wi… Sent from the English Wikipedia mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

2 1

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001

WikiEN-l January 2008