WikiEN-l June 2007

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Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:FICT rewrite
by SonOfYoungwood＠aol.com 27 Jun '07

27 Jun '07

In a message dated 6/27/2007 1:21:00 AM Central Daylight Time, cunctator(a)gmail.com writes: It's not good practice to criticize others without making specific reference to back up your criticism. Not necessarily, because I was generalizing and including myself. I felt there was no need to escalate things and go on tangents when I was just making a mere comment. But, if you want specific examples, I'll name one in the e-mail that is following this one. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:FICT rewrite
by SonOfYoungwood＠aol.com 27 Jun '07

27 Jun '07

In a message dated 6/27/2007 12:06:58 AM Central Daylight Time, saintonge(a)telus.net writes: That requires making the dangerous assumption that we already know how. It's a condescending attitude that makes no allowance for the possibility that a newbie might have good ideas. I don't get it. They can still present them. We have policies and guidelines about how to do everything. So we should scrap those because a newbie might have good ideas? Fiction shouldn't be an exception. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:FICT rewrite
by SonOfYoungwood＠aol.com 27 Jun '07

27 Jun '07

In a message dated 6/27/2007 1:17:49 AM Central Daylight Time, cunctator(a)gmail.com writes: What's the fact? That the Star Wars universe is large? That many people are interested in it? That it's complicated? Hmm, for those reasons maybe Wikipedia should have comprehensive coverage of the subject. Of course, but there are always extremes that have to be addressed. Here are some better examples: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachor_V_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachor_V) _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bespin_%28Galactic_Civil_War%29_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bespin_(Galactic_Civil_War)) _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercomm_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercomm) _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Map_%28Star_Wars%29_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Map_(Star_Wars)) Comprehsive coverage is good as long as it doesn't go into excessive detail. However, it needs to be organized and consolidated in a way that is logical and optimal for a real world-perspective encyclopedia, not a star wars database. Consequently, out-of-universe ("real world") information is required for this (and many other) reasons. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:FICT rewrite
by SonOfYoungwood＠aol.com 27 Jun '07

27 Jun '07

This notability guideline rewrite does two things: 1.) It establishes the fact that fiction articles are only notable if there is out-of-universe infomration available 2.) Provides ways of dealing with non-notable topics and organizating notable-topics In essense, many of the "list of vehicles from XXX" would be moved to another Wiki or whatever, because they fail to establish notability. ANYTHING is better than the current version, which is basically just tips to defend against huge tidal waves of fancruft. Most of the nonsense that people try to cleanup would be shipped out (or parts would be reorganized). Newcomers especially need a place to go to understand that creating articles on their favorite mecha are non-notable unless they can provide significant out-of-universe information. WAF then provides details on out-of-universe sources as well as writing from an out-of-universe perspective. The key is to unite the two concepts of notability and writing about fiction. Taking away a notability guideline would be seen to newbies as "anything in-universe is fair game". ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:FICT rewrite
by SonOfYoungwood＠aol.com 27 Jun '07

27 Jun '07

In a message dated 6/26/2007 4:15:02 PM Central Daylight Time, cunctator(a)gmail.com writes: You have confirmed my fears that the result of this proposal would be to grossly reduce the utility of Wikipedia's entries by merging and cutting them. Please read my response (and others) at the bottom of _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_%28fiction%29#Secti… (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Section_br…) . You'll be surprised that we're not bad people. In response to another comment, the terminology meaning is changing. We're using the term "notability" to TRANCEND deletionism, to the point where the WP:FICT rewirte actually DISCOURAGES deletion. There are many other solutions to keep people happy. Once again, I recommend people read the rewrite ([[User:Deckiller/Notability (fiction)]]). ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Essjay and BADSITES and dead links... oh my!
by Daniel R. Tobias 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

On 26 Jun 2007 at 14:35:29 -0400, "The Cunctator" <cunctator(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/25/07, Kamryn Matika <kamrynmatika(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 6/26/07, Daniel R. Tobias <dan(a)tobias.name> wrote: > > > > > > The wikidrama continued in the [[Essjay controversy]] article over > > > the last 24 hours. First, various people edit-warred over the [snipped a lot of stuff... we all should do some quote-trimming so things don't get out of hand] > > i suspect that your continued rantings and overuse of sarcasm & targetting > > of various editors is going to do more to harm your cause than help it. > > I believe the only editor he targeted was you. Oh, and MONGO. I don't > think two editors == various editors. Actually, it seems I've mentioned at least four editors... [[User:KamrynMatika]], [[User:ElinorD]], [[User:MichaelLinnear]], and [[User:MONGO]]... well, five if you count [[User:Essjay]], and maybe even six (didn't [[Teresa Nielsen Hayden]] show up herself as an editor?). Of course, I wasn't actually "targeting" all of them; I was favorable or neutral to some of them. > > you would be much better off spending your time making reasonable, rational > > arguments presented in a calm, non-accusatory manner and attempting to > > engage the editors you disagree with in proper discussion as opposed to > > bitching about them on the mailing list > > I get the impression he's tried engaging with editors like you and > MONGO and is now quite exasperated. > > Maybe you should defend your decision to block an editor who was > properly sourcing an article. Which seems pretty indefensible to me, > but I have a limited imagination. Ummm... wait a minute, ElinorD was the one who did the block. User:KamrynMatika, who you're replying to, was the one who *got* blocked. Big difference! -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

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AfD train wreck of the week
by Slowking Man 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/State_terroris… I have no comment. -- Slowking Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Slowking_Man)

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Attack Site Wars, Episode VII... The Return of the Essjay
by Sheldon Rampton 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

Anthony wrote: On Jun 26, 2007, at 7:36 PM, wikien-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org wrote: > http://www.google.com/trends?q=diet+plate%2C+portion+control+plate% > 2C+essjay Yeah, but: http://www.google.com/trends?q=diet+plate%2C+ice+cream%2C+pizza%2C +cookies -------------------------------- | Sheldon Rampton | Research director, Center for Media & Democracy (www.prwatch.org) | Author of books including: | Friends In Deed: The Story of US-Nicaragua Sister Cities | Toxic Sludge Is Good For You | Mad Cow USA | Trust Us, We're Experts | Weapons of Mass Deception | Banana Republicans | The Best War Ever -------------------------------- | Subscribe to our free weekly list serve by visiting: | http://www.prwatch.org/cmd/subscribe_sotd.html | | Donate now to support independent, public interest reporting: | http://www.prwatch.org/donate --------------------------------

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Troll, troll, troll
by Fred Bauder 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

>-----Original Message----- >From: The Mangoe [mailto:the.mangoe@gmail.com] >Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 02:32 PM >To: 'English Wikipedia' >Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Troll, troll, troll > >On 6/25/07, Slim Virgin <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 6/25/07, The Mangoe <the.mangoe(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Of course, "troll" often means "person who insists on bringing up >> > something I'm doing wrong even though I keep trying to dismiss him." > >> It's an accurate use of the term if it's describing someone who keeps >> resurrecting an issue with a view to causing trouble around it. > >That is assuming bad faith, in spades. Not assuming, Slim Virgin speaks from experience. Fred

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Buy an article today!
by Slowking Man 26 Jun '07

26 Jun '07

http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/154789.html -- Slowking Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Slowking_Man)

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