WikiEN-l June 2006

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Unblock request
by abu hamza 26 Sep '06

26 Sep '06

Hi, my wiki name is saladin1970. I joined just 3 days but find myself banned. i was banned by Jayjg . He cited the following reasons 1) 3RR rule 2) No useful edits 3) Copyright violoations 4) attacks on talk pages They all seem very serious. yet when we look into each of the reasons, they really have no substance. 1) I have two pc's one is shared at work - hence the same ip address and editor the othe is my home pc. I only reverted 3 times, as did my collegue at work. 2) I have made many contributions, including a section on moors in the spanish inquisition, additions to the islam in china section, background info on harold shipman and contributions to alan harts page and zionism page, and turkic. 3) There have been NO copyright violations. Every post was referenced to a website or to a book. All of whom allow references to as part of their copyright. So there was NO copy right violation 4) there were no personal attacks on talk pages. The worst that could be said was that i called someone a 'zionist'. Clearly there is something more to this than the above, as these at best are minor violations that would carry warnings. however I contend that this blocking falls under the "not advised to block rule". my posts in the zionism forum have illicited strong responses . Including the person that banned me jayjg. These posts included a) a section on the talmudic three oaths - which is the reason behind orthodox jews who oppose political zionism. This was reverted many times by jayjg amongst others also i added a further reading section book entitled "zionism the enemy of the jews by alan hart", who was a itv corrospondent during the 80's. His book is well researched 'historical and political' of the lead up to the creation of israel. Given that Jayjg was part of this debate, i can see no other reason for my ban (as the reasons given are spurious) other than to eliminate a user who has a different view of zionism. for this reason i am asking a moderator to look at the material posted by me, and make a fair decisions as to whether i should be banned indefinately thanks saladin _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview

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Anons banned from creating articles
by John Lee 06 Sep '06

06 Sep '06

http://news.com.com/Growing+pains+for+Wikipedia/2100-1025_3-5981119.html?ta… "Thus, to avoid future problems, Wales plans to bar anonymous users from creating new articles; only registered members will be able to do so. That change will go into effect Monday, he said, adding that anonymous users will still be able to edit existing entries." Why were Wikipedians the last to know about this? I only saw some discussion on the mailing list about this, but nothing final. Why do we have to learn of this from the media instead of straight from Jimbo? This is really disturbing. John Lee ([[User:Johnleemk]])

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Should Wikipedia make it clear to users that it is not censored for minors?
by Prasad J 20 Aug '06

20 Aug '06

Wikipedia has followed a policy whereby it's content is not censored for children. Having said that would it be useful to put a warning/advisory on the website to make it clear to users that though it is legal for them to enter the site, they should be aware that Wikipedia's content is not censored for minors and the latter may come across some sexual or other adult material so it is advisable for them to be careful what they view? As Wikipedia's popularity increases, so do the njmber of kids who access it-mainly for homework help. As a result the chances of young users coming across such material are high so perhaps a warning like this will be for the best? Also there may also be some adults who for various reasons would prefer not to view such content.

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And you thought Pokémon was trivial...
by Steve Bennett 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Price_is_Right_pricing_games No less than 102 pages, detailing each and every "pricing game" ever used in the American version of the game show The Price is Right. And what do we have to say about them? Analyses, statistics, etc? Nah, just when it showed up, and when it went. Heh. Steve

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Time 100 footage
by Jimmy Wales 13 Jul '06

13 Jul '06

Amanda Congdon (rocketboom.com) was gracious enough to be our press representative at the recent Time 100 party in New York. She got a lot of footage of the guests, which was quite a group of famous people, probably at least 100 people at the party already have wikipedia articles, many with no photos or fair use photos. As a condition of being invited, I asked that she release her footage and photos under a free license. I do not know yet exactly how we will get this, but based on what I saw, her team was mostly just doing filming, so it will probably be raw video (I asked for the highest possible resolution, so that would be the raw tape). To get good screen caps, someone will have to take this raw footage and import it into something and do captures or whatever. My guess is that, due to the size of it all, we will get a tape rather than a downloadable file. I am looking for someone with good experience with video to do something useful with it. :) Please volunteer by emailing me directly. Since I will probably just have them mail a tape copy to you, you must be reliable and known to me, because I don't want to have them mail the tape to someone who vanishes. :) --Jimbo -- ####################################################################### # Office: 1-727-231-0101 | Free Culture and Free Knowledge # # http://www.wikipedia.org | Building a free world # #######################################################################

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Re: [WikiEN-l] newbie culture
by Daniel R. Tobias 12 Jul '06

12 Jul '06

On 16 Jun 2006 at 11:37, "Lord Voldemort" <lordbishopvoldemort(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Still longer than me, and the rest of us wahoos. We never had to walk > to our dial-up computers, uphill both ways, on Windows 3.1, from AOL, > like you oldbies. ;-) AOL as a source of "oldbies"? The *serious* oldbie crowd regards them as the biggest source of clueless newbies! And Windows (whatever version) just brought more crowds of people too computer illiterate to handle a command line interface. No, the *real* oldbies were the ones who used computers without a wimpy graphical interface... maybe a printing terminal using a modem switchable between 110 baud and the "high-speed" 300 (like they had at the high school I attended in the early '80s)... or even punch cards (like they also used when I was in high school, taking a class in Fortran). -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.info/ Dan's Web Tips: http://webtips.dan.info/ Dan's Domain Site: http://domains.dan.info/

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New York Times article
by Keith Old 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

Folks, The New York Times has an article on Wikipedia called " Growing Wikipedia Revises Its 'Anyone Can Edit' Policy http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/technology/17wiki.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&… Regards Keith Old

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SPUI requesting unblock
by SPUI 05 Jul '06

05 Jul '06

I have been blocked for a week (initially indefinitely, then unblocked by another admin and reblocked for a week by the initial admin) for the contents of a page I made in January *2005* - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SPUI/jajaja . See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPUI#Block and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitratio… . I put {{unblock}} on my talk page three hours ago, with no response. Deco posted on AN/I 2.5 hours ago - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Today.… - again with no response. The blocking admin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Physchim62 - has no email set. For this reason, I am more worried than before about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Highwa… . Any admin can simply claim my actions are disruption, and, even if the block is overturned, it both remains for too long and creates yet another block in the block log for a future blacking admin to use as "evidence" that it's fine to block me.

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3RR policy proposal: No "Gotcha" rule
by Warren Blanco 03 Jul '06

03 Jul '06

> > WP:3RR was changed (without there first being consensus) back in April so > that reverts count towards the 3RR even if they are unrelated. This has > resulted in some editors playing "gotcha" by invoking the 3RR without first > giving a warning. I'd like to propose the following exception to the 3RR policy: Exception: Lack of warning A 3RR ban cannot be imposed against an editor who has not been warned that he or she is in danger of violating the 3RR. A ban can only be imposed when an editor violates the 3RR after receiving a warning even if he or she has already tecnically violated the 3RR prior to receiving a warning. ---- This policy is already implied on ANI:3RR which states: "If you find yourself in a revert war, it is a good idea to ensure that the "other side" is aware of the 3RR, especially if they are new, by leaving a warning about WP:3RR <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:3RR> on their talk page. Administrators are unlikely to block a user who has never been warned." Unfortunately, admins seem increasingly willing to block without regard to warnings, a practiced that assumes bad faith.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Exit Interview -- Jon Awbrey
by Rosa, Michael 03 Jul '06

03 Jul '06

On 29 Jun 2006 at 14:14, Jon Awbrey <jawbrey(a)att.net> wrote: >For example, under the proper ordering of priorities a >statement that is relevant and sourced should not be deleted >in favor of an opinion that is unsourced just because the >source is not the favorite writer of 2 or 3 editors or because >the sourced statement contradicts the personal POVs of 2 or 3 editors. >But this is actually the routine way that things are done in WP. Cite please - preferable at least a dozen or so of examples, they should be easy to find if this is really the "routine way" of doing things on WP. This is a persistent, recurrent and systematic pattern in your emails that I have observed, you describe something that you claim is taking place without giving any specific and real-life examples. Cheers, Michal

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