WikiEN-l February 2006

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Here's an interesting one
by David Gerard 03 Feb '06

03 Feb '06

Andrew Gray wrote: >Clearly you didn't get the memo. >[[Wikipedia:Off-Wiki policy discussion considered harmful]] >(Next up: someone to argue speeding laws don't count because they were >passed by people who were stationary at the time.) http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html "Because "considered harmful" essays are, by their nature, so incendiary, they are counter-productive both in terms of encouraging open and intelligent debate, and in gathering support for the view they promote. In other words, "considered harmful" essays cause more harm than they do good." "Typically, "considered harmful" essays gets written because someone has an axe to grind, and they feel like making that grinding process both public and dogmatic. This is a form of grandstanding, of course, but it is done with a purpose beyond simple publicity seeking. Usually such "considered harmful" essays are intended to draw attention to a little-known subject about which the author is passionate, or to highlight what the author feels to be a poor decision by someone else. In addition, there are those "considered harmful" essays that are written as part of a long-running argument that has gradually escalated." (and yes, I put that on the wiki too) - d.

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Evil Copyvio Lists
by DF 03 Feb '06

03 Feb '06

Whenever I try to deal with unusual copyright questions myself, I seem to get variously ignored, harassed, challenged with nonsense legal theories, and ad hominem'ed to death. So, I have decided that I am just not going to do it any more. The whole experience is simply way too unpleasant for the limited amount of good I am able to accomplish. Hence someone else is going to have to do it. I have created a list of evil lists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dragons_flight/Evil_looking_lists These ~35 lists appear to be creative works copied from the likes of VH1, Rolling Stone, and Time Magazine. Under US case law a list whose membership is determined by editorial opinion (rather than facts, statisics or polling) is subject to copyright protection, and simply copying such a list into Wikipedia will generally constitute a copyright infringment. Most of the lists I have highlighted are of the "Best of" variety, and appear to consist solely of the editor's judgment about who the best are. (I have tried to exclude lists which were based on votes or polling, as such are not subject to copyright protection, but it is possible that some lists based on polling slipped through without my noticing.) Such lists should be deleted or abbreviated to a length and purpose consistent with fair use. As per my initial comments, I don't intend to pursue this matter further. I'm hoping that my list of evil will be looking quite red some time in the future, but I am not optimistic that it will happen. -DF __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Fwd: interview about the evolution of wikipedia
by David Gerard 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

This is the podcast interview I did last Thursday. I haven't listened yet myself ... hope I suitably calmed the slightly annoyed AFD subject and his fans! - d. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Fonseca Rendeiro Date: 01-Feb-2006 20:40 Subject: Re: [Ticket#2006010210002589] interview about the evolution of wikipedia To: David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> Hey David.. the show has been up for a few days and its getting good feedback and of course, lots of downloads. Thanks again for taking the time... best of luck to you and Im sure we'll see each other around the internet. http://bicyclemark.org/blog/2006/01/bm99-behind-wikipedia/ On 1/24/06, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ok! > > On 23/01/06, Mark Fonseca Rendeiro <bicyclemark(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > UK time is what I meant. Speak to you thursday! > > > > > > On 1/23/06, David Gerard < dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 23/01/06, Mark Fonseca Rendeiro <bicyclemark(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > My best time to talk is five oclock on thursday afternoon.. or late > > around > > > > ten thirty in the evening. either day. > > > > > > > > > 10:30pm Thursday evening (is that UK or NL time?) is fine by me! Call > > > me on the home number, 020 8523 2302. > > > > > > > > > - d. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Mark > -- -Mark

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And we thought Brandt was bad
by Michelle 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

The Shiloh Shepherd Dog article has attracted a lot of attention from breeders and other parties highly involved with the breed. One would think that this would be a good thing, however, it turns out that there's a long running dispute between the breed founder and her original dog club and registry and the newer club and registries. Its gotten incredibly nasty and they're doing their best to bring it to Wikipedia. I've been attempting to help them along for more than 2 months now and its degenerating into attacking everything in sight just so they can keep the arguments going. If anyone would be interested in wading into the mess and lending a helping hand, I would greatly appreciate it. Personally, I'd like to see them all banned from editing the article or its talk page :P Jareth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jareth)

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Floricic vs. Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. - another update
by Mathias Schindler 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

The date to announce a decision today about the preliminary injunction against Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. was cancelled today after the lawyer for the parents of the dead hacker Tron started questioning the procuration of the lawyer for Wikimedia Deutschland. This is considered quite an unusual step since the judge had already announced that he does not agree with the argument that the postmortal rights of Boris Floricic is violated by mentioning the full name. The new date for the decision will be the 9th of February 2006. Wikimedia Deutschland issued a statement to the press today and explained the situation. Those of you who "Sprechen Sie Deutsh" might want to read or babelfish this url: http://www.wikimedia.de/2006/02/entscheidung-uber-einstweilige-verfugung-ve… Wikimedia Deutschland considers this move by the lawyer of Tron's parents to be an attempt to delay the process' end. It also "regrets" that the confidentiality of the out-of-court negotiation attempt (which was given at the request of Tron's lawyer) was broken several times. Heise has some quotes from this lawyer and from Wikimedia's lawyer, Thorsten Feldmann: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/69162

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request
by sara karimi 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Here's an interesting one
by David Gerard 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

Kirill Lokshin wrote: >On 2/1/06, Sean Barrett <sean at epoptic.org> wrote: >> David understates the case, by the way: It is hilarious to watch them >> arguing over the correct procedure to "get" Tony, when it's obvious that >> they haven't even begun the process for developing the plan to generate >> a schedule to outline [[Wikipedia:Requests for Lynching]] ([[WP:RfL]]). >I suspect there would be three schools of thoughts on this: Could you please both post these messages on WP:ANI. - d.

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[OT] Jimbo Wales' edit count (was: Re: [WikiEN-l] Here's an interesting one)
by Steve Bennett 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

>1890 edits at a very low edit rate. Little evidence of vandle fighting and has >failed to create any featured articles. The distibution of edits is pretty good although >a little low on article space. Would probably get through RFA but would not be completely clear cut. In another 30 edits, that could be describing me :) Seriously though: Username Jimbo Wales Total edits 1890 Image uploads 9 (7 cur, 2 old) Distinct pages edited 727 Edits/page (avg) 2.60 First edit 2001-03-27 20:47:31 Articles 417 Talk 211 User 128 User talk 809 Project 198 Project talk 62 1 in 4 edits actually in the article space, and twice as many on user pages? Not to mention 128 edits to his own user page? I'm not sure what measure you use to judge "pretty good" edit distribution - the guy is clearly not here to create an encyclopaedia :) Steve (who has 18 times more edits in the template namespace, so must be 18 times cooler...)

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Re: Update: Floricic vs Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
by Heinz 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

I forward it to the de.wp list, whose readers may be interested by the issue as well. heinz Anthere schrieb: > Thanks for the update Presroi. > > I forward it to the foundation list, whose readers may be interested by > the issue as well. > > Ant > > Mathias Schindler wrote: >> Hi, >> >> today there was a hearing at the Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, Berlin >> (municipal court) about the preliminary injunction against the German >> Verein. The injunction was prohibiting Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. to >> redirect wikipedia.de to the German Wikipedia as long as the full >> civil name of a dead hacker ([[en:Tron (hacker)]]) is shown at >> de.wikipedia.org. >> >> In the hearing, the judge gave more than just a hint that he does not >> agree with the argument from Tron's parents that telling a (already >> publicly known) civil name is violating the post-mortem >> Persönlichkeitsrecht (right of personality). >> >> The decision, whether the preliminary injunction is withdrawn will be >> announced on thursday at 9 a.m. (CET). >> >> Here are two reports from the court hearing: >> >> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/69056 (the author was present >> at the hearing) >> >> http://www.golem.de/0601/43060.html (I am not sure if he was there) >> >> >> There is one question left and I would love to see some research from >> you. Ivo Floricic, the owner of the trademark "Tron" and father of >> Boris Floricic (aka. [[en:Tron (hacker)]] claims that he thinks that >> he is the only one with the name "Floricic" in Germany and these >> special circumstances would somehow violate his rights if wikipedia is >> mentioning the full name of Tron. >> >> Does anyone know any other person by the name of Floricic? >> >> According to Google, there is an artist "Alen Floricic" from Croatia >> who might be notable (if he is notable, it would be nice to consider >> taking the CV from certain sites and write an article about him). >> There is also a professor of linguistics, Franck Floricic from France. >> >> Greetings, >> Mathias >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >>

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Here's an interesting one
by David Gerard 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

Jimbo wrote: >I think a few people have gotten quite confused about the role of admins >due to the excessive rules lawyering. Maybe they are the ones who need >to rethink it. See [[WP:ANI]] - a lynchmob of process-obsessives attempting to discuss the process for a lynching. It's almost amusing. (Apparently referring to discussion on wikien-l means I'm purporting to speak for the Foundation. Huh?) - d.

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