WikiEN-l July 2005

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RE: Fwd: [WikiEN-l] William M. Connoley, admin? (was: Running theasylum)
by Poor, Edmund W 19 Jul '05

19 Jul '05

I agree with much of what Dr. Connolley says, with one key exception. We must take into account the possibilty of POLITICAL bias on the part of journal editors. Since scientists and those who publish their findings are human beings, there is at least the theoretical possibility that they have human failings. One of these is the desire to be "considered right". Another is the desire to keep a steady paycheck coming in. Then there's always the desire to use science to advance certain causes. The system of publishing results in referreed journals is by and large an excellent one, but we would do the entire world a dis-service if we were to ENDORSE the process as incapable of error or bias. There have been enough cases of both of these problems to justify holding off on such an endorsement, even if OBJECTIVITY were Wikipedia's only concern. Topics such as total world annihilation via an all-out nuclear way between superpowers - or destruction of the environment (via over-heating the atmosphere - are naturally of concern to scientists. They are not mere automatons, nor are they mere disinterested seekers, seeking to satisfy their curiosity. Science is also done on purpose to affect technology and policy. "If I say this, the policymakers will choose that." Who can resist such a temptation? Is there any evidence that scientists better than the rest of us, and immune to ordinary human failings? (And is Wikipedia prepare to amend its NPOV policy to endorse this view of scientific objectivity and infallability?) I think we should stick to our original commitment. Just say that "certain scientists" say X about Y. And don't try to endorse any particular view on current scientific controversies as "representing a consensus" which Wikipedia then is committing to endorsing. Ed Poor, aka Uncle Ed Bureaucrat Member of Mediation Committee Self-described "chief exponent and defender of NPOV policy"

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A plea
by Chris Jenkinson 18 Jul '05

18 Jul '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is a plea to all mailing list users, especially people using gmail. PLEASE, if you are starting a new thread (a new topic for discussion), can you start a new email/message, rather than just hitting reply to an existing message and changing the topic. If you reply to an existing topic, email clients will assume that it is continuing the discussion (when it actually isn't). This means that people may miss your message because they aren't particularly interested in the thread you hit reply to, so they aren't reading all replies. Using threaded mode to display emails, in clients such as Thunderbird, means that new discussion topics do not actually show up as new discussion topics, which is inconvenient. Thanks, Chris (Talrias on en) - -- Chris Jenkinson chris(a)starglade.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC1xsvEq6+ijeBrJ8RAgntAJ9qvzdJPy7fc+JNwJNB2LiPp0wmAgCfVR3u jnPEMKiRfNwi3NqpvnNY32U= =GJ7D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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J.Wales-Keynoter for Batten Awards for Innovations??
by Jan Schaffer 18 Jul '05

18 Jul '05

Hi Folks - This is a copy of an email I sent Jimmy earlier today. I love it if you could give me a read as to whether his schedule would even permit his accepting this invitation: Hi Jimmy - I enjoyed sitting next to you at the Harvard blogging conference. I'm circling back to see if I could woo you to be the keynote speaker at this year's Batten Awards for Innovations in Journalism Symposium (http://www.j-lab.org/batten.html)? My Advisory Board just finished meeting and selecting this year's award winners and you were the favorite recommendation for a keynoter. The date is Monday, Sept. 12. The event is at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. The keynote address is given at a luncheon of about 80-100 people -- many of whom will be D.C. journalists, not always known for innovation. And probably only distantly aware of wikis. With Wiki launching a news site, the LA Times experimenting on its editorial page, the robust give-and-take on the Harvard listserv, and your own experience of having journalism "done" to you, you'd have a lot of insights to offer. The winners of this years award's will be announced at the symposium as well. J-Lab could cover your travel and lodging costs -- with a grant from the Knight Foundation that supports the awards. I've admired your work for a long time and I'd love to have you if it would fit into your schedule. Best, Jan -- Jan Schaffer Executive Director J-Lab: The Institute for Interactive Journalism 7100 Baltimore Ave., Suite 101 College Park, MD 20740 Ph: 301-985-4020 Fx: 301-985-4021 jans(a)j-lab.org Www.J-Lab.org Www.J-NewVoices.org

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The wikification of thought
by Worldtraveller 18 Jul '05

18 Jul '05

Just chanced across this - thought it was quite funny... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patronymic&diff=1309628&oldid=118… WT

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Fwd: Wikipedia e-mail
by Anthere 18 Jul '05

18 Jul '05

Hello, Cyrius is a reasonable and informed editor. I am quite certain he only blocks you because you adopt a certain attitude, which you probably should not. Reinserting repeatedly and on purpose links to copyrighted images is a behavior that may grant blocking. Cyrius is not in violation of any rules in doing so. It also seems clear that the hurricane picture originated from the World Book. You may be the original author of it... but in any cases, you do not hold the copyright. Whether the information should be free to use and people should have or not to pay for it is irrelevant in this case. The World Book has a copyright on this image, so it should not be in wikipedia. If you disagree with World Book holding the copyright on one of your image or graphics, please contact the World Book to discuss the issue directly with them. Thanks for your understanding. Anthere Rickyboy <turbo_benar(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:45:40 GMT To: Anthere <anthere9(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Wikipedia e-mail From: Rickyboy <turbo_benar(a)hotmail.com> Hello, I have contributed some images under the user name Rickyboy. Unfortunately, another user named Cyrius thinks that they are from the World Book site, so he has blocked me. I created the graphics and took the pictures, and I discussed this issue on my talk page extensively with the user DavidH. Further, Cyrius has blocked me indefinately, which I understand is in violation of Wikipedia rules as well. Please un-block me as his complaint has been logged on the images and he has no proof that they're from World Book. Thanks, Rickyboy --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

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On parents banning their children from Wikipedia
by Tony Sidaway 17 Jul '05

17 Jul '05

Someone identifying himself as thagudearbh(a)yahoo.co.uk writes: > I can see many parents banning their children from using it - to the > detriment of us all. I never understand this argument, although it always seems to be advanced to excuse to repugnant bit of crusading. If I shut the extraneous details of the crusade out of my mind, it always seems to come down to asking myself the following question: What material effect would result from parents banning their children? And obviously the answer is that more children would use Wikipedia. Wikipedia as Rock and roll. So how could this be to the detriment of Wikipedia?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this acceptable?
by Jack Lynch 17 Jul '05

17 Jul '05

Right. My feeling is that this heated argument (wherein I did not use foul language or engage in personal attacks) should not be grounds for blocking. I am quite annoyed w having been put there, considering the circumstances. How can I go about being removed? Jack (Sam Spade) > Ah, I see now. That page is for reporting "people to be banned". It > wasn't really clear, but at the face of it it seems like a heated > argument on a talk page. > > Chris

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Is this acceptable?
by Jack Lynch 17 Jul '05

17 Jul '05

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policy_enforcement_log#Sam_Spade

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Poll on templates
by fun＠thingy.apana.org.au 17 Jul '05

17 Jul '05

Polls are evil and stupid and tend in practice on en: to be used to force through stupid ideas in the hope no-one will notice the poll. For further evidence, check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_locations Apparently started by some new users and sent under the radar. Go help kill some of these stupid ideas. - d.

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U.S. copyright law and European servers
by Nyenyec N 16 Jul '05

16 Jul '05

This is somewhat related to the ongoing "fair use" discussion. AFAIK, there are Wikipedia servers in Paris and Amsterdam. Is it OK for Wikipedia to use an image under U.S. copyright law based on "fair use" and the given image is hosted on French or Dutch server and is served to French or Dutch clients but is copyrighted under French or Dutch law? Isn't that a copyright violation? (I assumed that there is no equivalent of "fair use" in France or in the Netherlands, but I really don't have a clue...) Wouldn't this be a problem as more and more servers are installed in an increasing number of countries? Thanks, nyenyec

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