This discussion is highly likely to go around in circles forever in a
day, and I'd like to think that we could work toward something
approaching a consensus on this issue but I doubt very much that's
going to happen on a mailing list. There is too much room for
repetition on a mailing list. Why not use a better resource to conduct
such debate, a wiki?
There is now a page on meta dedicated to outlining the desirability of
end-user image suppression:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Desirability_of_end-
user_image_suppression
To help work toward some kind of consensus the issues surrounding this
topic are split into four main areas:
1. the implications of implemention
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/End-user_image_suppression
2. the identification of categories that would be included as part of
implementation
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Potentially_offensive_images
3. the useful categorising of images
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Descriptive_image_tagging
4. and discussion about whether it's all desirable
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Desirability_of_end-
user_image_suppression
Feel free to join in the progressive wiki-way instead of the circular
mailing-list-way. :)
Christiaan
Indeed, it does reveal (seemingly) a certain propagandist thrust
(ostensibly, waged in the name of combatting "propaganda"). More
importantly, it does this by completely ignoring the notion of and the
distinction between intrinsic and extrinsic human worth in a very
crude, reductionistic way.
As I said, the chances for meaningful dialogue between a POV Warrior
who wishes some collaborators to -inherently- cease to exist, with
absolutely no chance of redemption or conversion (no, suicide does not
count), is very different from that waged by the extrinsic ones (by
whichever standards we wish to define them in accordance with); i.e.
in the ability of seeing the other editor as human, in the levels of
discord we can safely predict for these exchanges amongst editors.
It is not a particularly in-depth philosophical or
social-psychological point, and therefore, this is the reason why I go
on to interpert abovementioned 'thrust' as an attempt to conceal and
obfuscate -- (seemingly) in order to promote certain political biases
it (or rather, the proponent of that position him/her-self) favours.
Persuasion does not seem very likely here, though, so perhaps I am
wasting my words. At the event, I said my piece on that front, now
also here in the mailing list, and I can only hope that it resonates
through and beyond the (percieved) immediate interests of this or that
ideology.
>Language such as "a sustained assault" is out of place.
>Zoney
I felt necessary to do that after less than one hour, this mailing
list is a traffic intensive one.
>Having has 400+ e-mails arrive here in 48 hours, I can sympathise
>with people's concerns here. I'll need to delete quite a few e-mails
>myself.
What's going on and when will it be back up?
RickK
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I am deeply sorry to go off-topic, and ask a question not
related to sex, images of sex, autofellatio, or why
Wikipedia is not fit for any sort of school or restaurant.
I know two ways to copy of the content of any single
article and save it on my local hard drive.
On Internet Explorer I can click, "File", "Save as",
"Web Page - HTML only", and then save the individual
article.
I also can go into an article, copy the article,
paste it into a word processor, and then save it.
I could do either of these techniques for many articles,
but is there an easier way to do this? I'd like to make a
list of over a hundred articles - or even my entire
Watchlist - and have the content automatically downloaded
and saved to my hard-drive.
Any suggestions and help would be greatly appreciated. If
this helps, I am using Windows XP.
Our current conversation on sex may now continue. ;-)
Robert (RK)
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Any estimates on when Wikipedia will be back up?
RickK
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Having has 400+ e-mails arrive here in 48 hours, I can sympathise
with people's concerns here. I'll need to delete quite a few e-mails
myself.
I recently enabled this e-mail setting, but now I may change it back.
People may not know that they can turn off the posting e-mail flow. If you
do know, you need proceed no further. Otherwise, here goes.
Go to http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l, log in
at the bottom there using your wikien-l e-mail address, enter your e-mail
address password at the next screen and when you see your wikien-l settings, and
change the Mail delivery option in the grey area near the bottom to disabled.
If youve forgotten your e-mail password, then there is a forgotten
password feature on that password page you can use to get it back.
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From: "Nicholas Knight" <nknight(a)runawaynet.com>
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-L needs dailing posting limits
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:53:51 -0800
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> Tony Sidaway wrote:
> > I don't want to seem rude since I'm the one supposedly causing all the
> > problems by posting a lot recently. But what is the problem? If you don't
>
> You're not the only one that recieved a rather disingenious email
> in private from him.
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Hi all,
This list *urgently* needs to adopt daily posting limits. A certain user
(you know who you are) recently posted some THIRTY times in 24 hours to
the list on the topic of "One reason why Wikipedia is not presently
classroom-safe", with some postings only two minutes apart. This is a
great discourtesy to other subscribers to this list. I realize topics
such as explicit photos are contentious and will not be solved without
long discussion, but threads like the above-mentioned where a couple of
users are responsible for like messages in 24 hours make it exceedingly
difficult for the rest of us to follow the discussion. I would like to
know what various people think about these topics but I don't want to
have to scroll through two hundred messages to find out.
Another busy list I subscribe to has a daily posting limit of three
messages per subscriber. Go above that, you get put on moderation
(messages get routed first to the listmaster). WikiEN-L urgently needs
something similar.
V.