> Simple technical solution: Each article gets a special
> counter. After X
> days, or X edits, or not-minor edits, or X bytes changed, or some
> combination thereof, the article gets added to a special
> "review" list.
> This is for people who like to specialize is
> style/flow/structure/etc of
> articles. These can then be reformatted/reworded. Calling it "review"
> might help to suppress edit wars; after all, this is not because of a
> special edit, but because some criteria say "this might need
> restructuring". Also, it is not to remove information, rather to
> rearrange it into readable form.
>
> Magnus
Please program this, and create a special page listing articles which
need review.
Ed Poor
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> >You can call it tit-for-tat, but when a clique has control of a page, and is
> >claiming a certain standard in rejecting your edits such as "dictator" being
> >POV and pejorative even when applied to a world class dictator like
> >Fidel Castro, you can at least embarass them some with their hypocrisy
> >if they insist on maintaining the term for a petty corrupt dictator such
> >as Batista. His oppression only extended to the measures necessary
> >to keep him in power and luxury. There is a difference between
> >being anti-democratic for selfish reasons, and essentially enslaving
> >(because they can't leave) a pool of cheap labor to implement
> >your grand plans for the economy.
> >
> If this weren't so hilarious I would be tempted to see it as the ravings
> of an anti-Catro lunatic. The notion that a person who bases his
> dictatorship on personal gain and profit is morally superior to one who
> does so in order to achieve honest reforms is beyond belief.
Try believing it. One at least lets you leave and even come back if
you want to, without holding your family hostage. Sure the
totalitarian is will to improve his stock of slaves by educating
them because he knows he will get to reap the benefits, after
all, they will find it difficult to escape.
-- Silverback
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> actionforum(a)comcast.net wrote:
>
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >
> >
> >>>Who cares what consensus is? What matters is what is right. Edit
> >>>waring has it's uses. For some reason it seems to be an effective way
> >>>of increaseing the number of citations.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>The problem with believing that being right is paramount is that it
> >>tends to shut out other views which may be just as right.
> >>
> >>
> >No, that is the problem with being wrong. It is those who are
> >wrong that want to shut out the views that may be right.
> >That is how you get gulags, political prisoners, censorship,
> >whole nations that are gulags of cheap captive labor where
> >emigation and escape are prohibitted.
> >
> Thank you for proving my point. I was talking about Wikipedia articles,
> and you want to talk about Guantanamo.
Really? Integrity and character, fairness, tolerance
and equality under the rules matter on little things
such as wikipedia articles too. When a clique, gets
ahold of a page, the wikipedia rules no longer apply,
they make the rules. Sometimes you can shame them
a bit with their hypocrisy, sometimes they are shameless.
But being a clique or a "consensus" doesn't make them
right.
Guantanamo is an embarrassment, but wars are messy,
I'm probably a pacifist myself (I'm not quite sure), but
what seems plain is that the non-pacifists who oppose
the war in Iraq and who somehow have supported some
other war and how that war was fought, are probably
among the worlds greatest hypocrits. The U.S. has
liberated Iraq without using conscript/slaves, with careful
targeting to avoid unnecessary damage to civilians and
civilian infrastructure, with no territorial ambitions, and
without using "allies" that are beneath contempt such
as Stalin, certain warlords in Afghanistan or the U.N.
-- Silverback
Bob wrote:
>I was reading Scott Burnside's article,
> http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/preview2005/news/story?id=2172427
>about top NHL rivalries, and I discovered that some passages appear to
>have been directly lifted or slightly edited from The Sporting News and
>Wikipedia articles. Who do I contact to address these concerns?
I tend not to worry about it too much, it just shows that Wikipedia is
very much the quick-research option for pressured journalists ;-) You
might email him thanking him for a nice article, and that you're
pleased Wikipedia is reliable enough for him to use as a research
tool, and asking if he can include links to the source articles in
future as that would be very helpful to a reader. i.e. gently let him
know you've spotted his source ;-)
- d.
Hi there,
I am new to wiki and just became member of wikimedia mailing list.
I have a small problem. I want to use frameset in my wiki webpage so
that i can use .php pages to make it dynamic.
i read the faq page which says removing following lines from
skins/common/wikibits.js should work, but it doesnt. Please help.
// Un-trap us from framesets
if( window.top != window ) window.top.location = window.location;
I am using wikimedia 1.5.0 the most recent one.
--
With Regards,
Rafi Ahmad
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> >You can call it tit-for-tat, but when a clique has control of a page, and is
> >claiming a certain standard in rejecting your edits such as "dictator" being
> >POV and pejorative even when applied to a world class dictator like
> >Fidel Castro, you can at least embarass them some with their hypocrisy
> >if they insist on maintaining the term for a petty corrupt dictator such
> >as Batista. His oppression only extended to the measures necessary
> >to keep him in power and luxury. There is a difference between
> >being anti-democratic for selfish reasons, and essentially enslaving
> >(because they can't leave) a pool of cheap labor to implement
> >your grand plans for the economy.
> >
> If this weren't so hilarious I would be tempted to see it as the ravings
> of an anti-Catro lunatic. The notion that a person who bases his
> dictatorship on personal gain and profit is morally superior to one who
> does so in order to achieve honest reforms is beyond belief.
Try believing it. One at least lets you leave and even come back if
you want to, without holding your family hostage. Sure the
totalitarian is will to improve his stock of slaves by educating
them because he knows he will get to reap the benefits, after
all, they will find it difficult to escape.
-- Silverback
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> On 10/9/05, actionforum(a)comcast.net wrote:
>
> I'd be more impressed if you could
> > get fair representation for anarcho-capitalism on the anarchism
> > page,
>
> Currently seems to have a pretty fair three-paragraph summary, and a link to
> a full article on the subject.
That is not the point, that is after a long edit war, that you seem to
think isn't necessary. It is still not up in the introduction as one of
the major branches of anarchism. Review the history.
> or if you could get Castro properly labeled as a dictator.
>
>
> The correct description is apparently "Presidente del Consejo de Estado" or
> just "Presidente", or alternatively "Comandante en Jefe". Nobody seems to be
> able to get those titles into the article. Instead we have squabbling over
> whether to call him a "ruler" or a "dictator". Edit warring does not help
> this, it makes it worse.
Wrong, it hasn't gotten worse, at least Batista is no longer
called a dictator, as he once was. That is how much the clique, did
not want Castro labeled a dictator. Note that Batista still has a regime,
which has been regarded as POV on other pages. Batista did not shoot
people trying to escape Cuba, Castro does. The spanish title and a
literal translation probably deserves mention in the english version, although
probably not in the intro.
> Now the late Shah of Iran has similar problems. Somebody keeps trying to run
> off with "His Imperial Majesty " and "Aryamehr".
> Or how about getting what everybody expects to be called
> > communism, the communist state, and criticisms of it on
> > the communism page.
>
> I'd expect a description of an ideology, and some general history, under an
> -ism.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
>
> For communist states we have an article with the completely unsurprising
> title "Communist state".
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state
>
> For the Communist International, there's an article called "Comintern".
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comintern
In the english speaking world the cold war was fought against
communism, not a stateless, classless system where all property
is held communally. It is anarcho-communism not state communism
that should be the subsidiary page.
> Do you ever try the hard stuff on a page with a clique suppressing
> > other POVs?
>
> There is a dispute resolution process for the serious stuff, you know.
We would end up having to abjudicate every edit.
-- Silverback
-------------- Original message --------------
> >Who cares what consensus is? What matters is what is right. Edit
> >waring has it's uses. For some reason it seems to be an effective way
> >of increaseing the number of citations.
> >
> The problem with believing that being right is paramount is that it
> tends to shut out other views which may be just as right.
No, that is the problem with being wrong. It is those who are
wrong that want to shut out the views that may be right.
That is how you get gulags, political prisoners, censorship,
whole nations that are gulags of cheap captive labor where
emigation and escape are prohibitted.
-- Silverback