WikiEN-l August 2004

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Flagging US Nationalism (was: Toning down the personal remarks)
by Poor, Edmund W 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

I see no evidence that US nationalism is flagging. Rather, it seems to have increased since 9/11. Okay, let's see if we can put the worms back in the can now... ;-) Ed

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Jayjg is using non-stop reverts
by Robert 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

I am again having problems with Jayjg. He is using non-stop reverts to nearly every edit I make. He already has hit the three revisions in a day to a single article level. In general, on some of the articles, Jayjg is still attributing positions to me and to others that we do not have, and is repeatedly criticising these non-existent positions. It is no clear whether he is engaging in straw-man attacks on purpose, or is just not reading carefully. In any case, it is taking me an average of two days per article to convince him on any given point that he is mistaken. Until then he just reverts, reverts, and reverts. I am currently attempting to mediate with him through a third party, but nothing has occured yet. Robert (RK) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

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anons editing
by zero 0000 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

In my almost-a-year editing Wikipedia, I am yet to hear a convincing reason for allowing anons to edit at all, but saw plenty of cases when I wished they couldn't. Zero. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Re: Toning down the personal remarks (was: Nationalist POV-pushing on Wikpedia: what to do?)
by Jens Ropers 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

Dan Drake and Ed Poor wrote: > > [ increasingly involved civility-incivility deliberations and > (counter)accusations following my earlier flagging of U.S. nationalist > POV as an issue ] > Uh-oh. Have I opened a can of worms? Thanks and regards, Jens Ropers There are two types of IT techs: The ones who watch soap operas and the ones who watch progress bars. http://www.ropersonline.com/elmo/#108681741955837683

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Wiki Installation Problem ...
by Dave Jarvis 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

Hi, folks. PROBLEM DESCRIPTION ----------------------------- After a fresh install of Apache, PHP, and MySQL, I wanted to install MediWiki for doing internal documentation. Basically, I want to avoid using M$ Word for living documents. Using my Mandrake Linux machine, I attempted to install MediaWiki. The installation failed, and Google & MediaWiki have only shown me one other person with this problem, without resolution. PROBLEM TEXT ----------------------------- # PHP 5.0.0: the MonoBook skin will be disabled due to an incompatibility between the PHPTAL template library and PHP 5. The wiki should function normally, but with the older look and feel. # PHP server API is apache2handler; ok, using pretty URLs (index.php/Page_Title) # Have XML / Latin1-UTF-8 conversion support. # PHP is configured with no memory_limit. # No zlib support. # Found ImageMagick: /usr/bin/convert; image thumbnailing will be enabled if you enable uploads. # Installation directory: /home/httpd/wiki # Script URI path: /wiki # Connected as root (automatic) # Connected to database... 4.0.20; enabling MySQL 4 enhancements # Database wikidb exists # There are already MediaWiki tables in this database. Checking if updates are needed... ...ipblocks is up to date. ...already have interwiki table ...indexes seem up to 20031107 standards ...have linkscc table. ...linkscc is up to date, or does not exist. Good. ...have hitcounter table. Converting links table to ID-ID... Sorry! The wiki is experiencing some technical difficulties, and cannot contact the database server. VERSION INFORMATION ----------------------------- PHP 5.0.0 (cli) (built: Aug 10 2004 08:56:26) Apache 2.0.50 WikiMedia 1.3.0beta6 DATABASE INFORMATION ----------------------------- # mysqlshow +-----------+ | Databases | +-----------+ | wikidb | +-----------+ DEBUGGING INFORMATION ----------------------------- # cat /tmp/wiki.log DB connection error Server: 192.168.168.234, User: wikiuser, Password: ... Failed to connect to database 0 at 127.0.0.1 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/includes/Database.php at line 522 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/includes/Database.php at line 149 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/includes/LoadBalancer.php at line 176 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/includes/LoadBalancer.php at line 116 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/includes/LoadBalancer.php at line 139 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/includes/DatabaseFunctions.php at line 54 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/includes/DatabaseFunctions.php at line 34 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/maintenance/convertLinks.inc at line 34 WARNING: Abrupt exit in /home/httpd/wiki/config/index.php at line 459 ACTIVE DATABASE PROOF ;-) ----------------------------- # telnet 127.0.0.1 3306 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1). Escape character is '^]'. ' 4.0.2011DCbDmu,^] telnet> close Any ideas would be greatly appreciated -- I want to show that M$ Word is evil, especially when a vastly superior application is available. <diatribe> My apologies for the following brief diatribe. I think that a HOWTO guide that shows, step-by-step, how to configure and install MediaWiki from scratch on a typical Linux system would be priceless. By "from scratch" I mean, show how to install and configure the required versions of: - Apache - MySQL - PHP - MediaWiki Granted there are MANY different scenarios, and specific configuration possibilities, which is why I say "simple" and "typical" -- just enough to get up and running. An example HOWTO that illustrates what I mean by a simple step-by-step document is at: http://www.joot.com/dave/writings/articles/wireless-linux-howto.shtml </diatribe> Sincerely, Dave Jarvis -- Invoq Systems Inc. t. 250.380.0304 e. djarvis(a)invoqsystems.com w. http://www.invoqsystems.com

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Current validation scheme: ya gotta see this!
by Poor, Edmund W 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

Hey, everybody, in the excitement of the recent discussion over Mav & Timwi & Angela's idea of version marking, we seem to have overlooked something! Magnus Manke has quietly developed a full-fledged scheme of his own, and you can see a Working Demo of this at: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Validate&mode=list_p age I just read and evaluated two articles!! C'mon, let's give credit where credit is due! Ed Poor Developer Emeritus

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Toning down the personal remarks (was: Nationalist POV-pushing on Wikpedia: what to do?)
by Poor, Edmund W 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

Let's try to avoid personal remarks about other Wikipedians. It distracts from the flow of the thread, which ideally should be about ways to craft better articles: * This particular list is infested with Americans Excuse me? I'm not a bug! (I put bugs in the software I write, though ;-) * hot-headed American If I wear a hat outside, my scalp doesn't heat up so much; usually, I stay inside and enjoy the air-conditioning. * some rabid nationalist loony * American loonies Now, now. That's getting personal! Uncle Ed

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differing article revisions depending on whether one is logged in
by Jens Ropers 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

I'm noticing that I frequently find myself looking at previous versions of articles while I'm not logged in (that is, the one prior to the most recent version). Once I log in I then see the most recent article version. Emptying my cache and refreshing doesn't seem to make any difference. Is anyone else experiencing that problem? Could people confirm? Does anyone know anything about this phenomenon? Any ideas on what to do about it? Thanks and regards, Jens Ropers There are two types of IT techs: The ones who watch soap operas and the ones who watch progress bars. http://www.ropersonline.com/elmo/#108681741955837683

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Schemes for Version Marking (was: Markiing a version with a status flag)
by Poor, Edmund W 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

Timwi and Maveric have come up with two excellent ideas for marking article versions: 1. Status flags * For example, "RC Patrolled" by a particular contributor (possible in a whitelist) 2. Status voting * For example, one click on "I have read this" increments the LookedAt counter by 1. * Or, clicking on "RC Patrolled" increments the Patrolled counter by 1. Idea #2 is easier for developers to write, because it's a very simple database query, something like: UPDATE article SET Patrolled = Patrolled + 1 WHERE article.version = 35498 (Please don't write me back, telling me I got the table and column names wrong. I'm making a point about how easy it is, not telling anyone how to do it!) Idea #1 may prove to be just as useful, or even more so, especially if Maveric's idea about a "web of trust" can be developed along these lines. Should we cross-post this thread to WikiTech? Ed Poor

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Here's what to do (was: Nationalist POV-pushing on Wikpedia)
by Poor, Edmund W 10 Aug '04

10 Aug '04

Roozbeh lamented, "Look at what 198.81.26.80 is doing." And he also replied to my earlier comments: > > Say that according to _this_ group of nationalists, the > situation is > > like this. Then say that according to _that_ group of nationalists, > > the situation is like that. > > Already done. Won't work. They go and remove the other side's > POVs, or revert to the not-yet-NPOV-ed version. > > See some of the articles' histories and you'll get what I > mean. One example is [[Azerbaijanis]] > (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Azerbaijanis&actio n=history). It wasn't all POV-pushing. A lot of it was also newbie friction. I left an encouraging note on the talk page, and did a lot of clean-up on the article. I hope collaborative work will proceed more smoothly now. Ed Poor

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