WikiEN-l September 2003

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RE: [WikiEN-l] bans and blocks - proposed modificaion
by Poor, Edmund W 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

>Yes, Martin is very often on-the-mark -- its good to see people seem to recognizing >that. (Considering that at a certain point, I thought he was gonna get banned. ;) > >~S~ <chuckle>, yes, I know what you mean. I thought I myself was going to get banned when I first started at Wikipedia. Maybe it's the "reformed sinner" who becomes the best proponent of goodness. That's one reason I worked so hard to get Lir reinstated. Why, I must have spent at least $500 worth of consulting time in behind-the-scenes negotiations. Uncle Ed -----Original Message----- From: Stevertigo [mailto:utilitymuffinresearch2@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:14 AM To: English Wikipedia Subject: RE: [WikiEN-l] bans and blocks - proposed modificaion "Poor, Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com> wrote: Martin, >You have my support for any changes you propose to the banning and >blocking procedure. I trust your judgment and FWIW you have my "proxy" - >you may even erase my 2 "objections" from [[Wikipedia:Bans and blocks]], >as they are now obsolete. _____ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping <http://shopping.yahoo.com/?__yltc=s%3A150000443%2Cd%3A22708228%2Cslk%3A text%2Csec%3Amail> - with improved product search

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RE: [WikiEN-l] bans and blocks - proposed modificaion
by Poor, Edmund W 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Martin, You have my support for any changes you propose to the banning and blocking procedure. I trust your judgment and FWIW you have my "proxy" - you may even erase my 2 "objections" from [[Wikipedia:Bans and blocks]], as they are now obsolete. Ed Poor

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Re: Welcome back Adam (Daniel Ehrenberg)
by Anthere 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:32:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Welcome back Adam > To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org> > Message-ID: > <20030927203232.1685.qmail(a)web41804.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > --- Rick <giantsrick13(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Dan, > > > > I'm newer than you, and I've still seen how Lir > > likes to confuse things with multiple names. What > > do you mean, you don't know why he'd want to use > two > > logins? Because it's the way he makes things > > difficult for the rest of us. > > > > RickK > > [I think] some people are still arguing that PP is > not > Adam. I'm not. I guess I shouldn't try to be NPOV on > the mailing list. > LDan Dan, could you drop that matter please ? It does not matter whether Adam log in as PP or Lir or The Pope. She was given the right to edit again, and that is all there is to say about it. Could she do it without you people going on forever chatting about her, and watching any of her move ? She is not an insect to look under a magnifying glass ! Let her breathe ! please ! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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bans and blocks - proposed modificaion
by martin＠myreddice.freeserve.co.uk 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

I note that there is a problem with some people on Wikipedia feeling ignored - feeling that they did not have a proper opportunity to express their feelings on the ban of EofT. I note that this compares to similar problems I experienced on h2g2. On h2g2 a "transgressions procedure" was implemented to increase the feeling of openness, while maintaining the single point of decision, and this turned out to be highly successful. I have therefore made some proposed changes to http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bans_and_blocks http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bans_and_blocks I would appreciate feedback. Jimbo has rightly expressed worries that public discussion of bans *prior* to a banning decision can cause heartache and misery. However, public decision *after* an initial banning decision is a separate matter. I can vouch for this policy from personal experience, having had someone I knew and cared for banned via this procedure. While I disagreed with the decision taken, I did at least get the feeling that someone was listening to my opinions on the matter. Of course, such discussion should not devolve into so-called "votes", and Jimbo should retain the final decision. I do not seek increased openness to overthrow Jimbo in some manner: merely to help Wikipedia exploit the healing properties of light in what are inevitably tough and divisive decisions. As with the logo vote, I can accept a decision that I disagree with easier, if I can accept the decision-making process that led to it. I commend the transgressions procedure to the cabal. -Martin "MyRedDice" Harper

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Cooperation with EUobserver
by Poor, Edmund W 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

Erik, Thank you for negotiating this agreement. It's an excellent example of one hand washing another. They donate some news copy to the world, and they get web hits in return. I look forward eagerly to next month's progress report. Ed Poor

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Welcome back Adam (Daniel Ehrenberg)
by Anthere 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

Message: 5 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Mahan <chris_mahan(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Welcome back Adam (Daniel Ehrenberg) To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org> Message-ID: <20030929021452.66648.qmail(a)web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> She was given the right to edit again, and >He. Lir is a he :) We are not sure. And several hes are shes on Wikipedia And we do not have enough shes And that will make for all shes called hes And I like the idea of him being a she, if she agrees. :-) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Broken link on your website
by Connie Davis 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

There appears to be a problem on this page: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TakuyaMurata When we click on your link to: http://kuwahala.free-city.net/nihonshi/nindex.html we get the error: 404 File not found We last examined your page on Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 01:43:19 PM EDT. If it has not been updated since then, the link is most likely broken. We discovered this error during our normal course of website content checking for one of our search engine clients. If you would like to receive notifications like this in the future if we find pages unavailable, click here: http://scclick.internetseer.com/sitecheck/clickthrough.jsp?I5s57d5d5i5l5d5m… Click here to learn more about us: http://scclick.internetseer.com/sitecheck/clickthrough.jsp?I5s57d5d5i5l5d5m… Sincerely, Connie Davis InternetSeer.com http://www.internetseer.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Your email address was found during a prior visit to your website on 09-29-2003. The error listed above was verified from both of our indexing servers in Philadelphia, Pa. and Los Angeles, Ca. This error could have been caused by any number of events, including connectivity problems on our part and/or connectivity problems in the Internet as we tried to reach your site. This error should not be construed as a guaranteed problem on the part of your website or hosting company since there are never any guaranteed connection routes on the Internet. If would like to be excluded from any potential future contact, click here: http://scclick.internetseer.com/sitecheck/cancel.jsp?USQM7qi6MH5aI5sUSQLzVV… ##wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org## SRC=58

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Re: [WikiEN-l] [roy_q_royce@hotmail.com: --A Request RE a WIKIArticle--]
by Roy Royce 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

>From: Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)joey.bomis.com> >Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org> >To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org >Subject: [WikiEN-l] [roy_q_royce(a)hotmail.com: --A Request RE a >WIKIArticle--] >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:11:51 -0700 > >I know too little about physics to have anything helpful to say here. >Reading between the lines here, I'm guessing that Mr. Royce's views >are not mainstream? Is there any helpful accomodation that could be >made here? > Dear Mr. Wales, You've sold us both short! :-) (<--please note smiley, Mr. Poor!) You have assumed that you could not have anything helpful to say about the physics of this situation, so you have also assumed that it cannot be simply explained if one tries hard enough! Since SR pertains only to rulers and clocks, and to the results of measurements made thereby, this should tell us that it is not exactly an inherently complex subject. (If you want one of those, try quantum mechanics!) I believe that the average layman can see that special relativity does not pertain to E=mc^2, and my simple 5-step proof should make a believer out of you. Here is a brief 5-step proof/explanation for the average layman: Everyone agrees that special relativity (SR) has some sort of mass increase,* just as everyone agrees that SR has some sort of time dilation and some sort of rod contraction. The question is, What is physically happening in these three cases? [* a minor technical point, it's really a momentum (which is simply mass x velocity) increase] Since most laymen feel much more comfortable discussing a clock and its rhythm than discussing mass and momentum, and since all three of the above SR effects are alike, it is much better to begin by using a simple clock-rhythm example. Step 1: Picture a single, normally-operating atomic clock that is sitting on a stationary table some where. (In "tech talk," it is continuously at rest with respect to an inertial frame). Step 2: Note the fact that this clock cannot have more than one atomic (internal, time-keeping) rhythm. (A clock that had two or more different "tick rates" would have to be thrown away!) Step 3: Note the fact that observers in different SR frames will find many "different rhythms" for this clock. (Indeed, in SR, one and the same clock has an infinite number of "different rhythms.") Step 4: Reach the unavoidable conclusion that SR's "time dilation" does not pertain to a clock's intrinsic (atomic, in this case) rhythm. Step 5: Apply this same argument to the other two cases (i.e., to the momentum and rod contraction cases), and similarly reach the equally unavoidable conclusion that SR does not pertain to either intrinsic mass or to intrinsic rod length. (Not that anything more is needed, but strength is added to our argument by the fact that each of SR's cases are reciprocal; e.g., I see your clock is "running slow," but you also see _my_ clock "running slow." If we were talking about real (atomic, intrinsic) clock rhythms, then this would clearly be a physically impossible situation, and the same applies to both the SR momentum and rod contraction cases.) At this point, although we have not answered our original question about what was physically happening in these three cases, we have answered the question about what was _not_ happening in these cases, which means that we have answered the important question Does SR pertain to physically real (or intrinsic) characteristics? And we have found that the answer to this question is No. This tells us all we need to know in order to prove our main point that SR does not pertain to the equivalence of real mass with real energy (which is of course stated explicitly by the equation E=mc^2). -----RR----- _______________________________________________ >WikiEN-l mailing list >WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

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[Wikitech-l] Update to gfdl copyright notice needed
by Daniel Mayer 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

Alex R. wrote: >"All contributions submitted here are released under >the [[GNU Free Documentation License]], see >[[{Project name}:Copyrights and Warranty Disclaimers]] . >By clicking save you affirm the copyright owner(s) of all >submitted material agrees to these terms; you further >affirm that such text is not defamatory or in violation >of any law; you also agree to [[{project name}:indemnify|indemnify]] >{project name}, all other volunteers and the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] >for any and all claims connected with your submission and are >bound by the [[{project name): terms and conditions]]." That looks good to me. Any objections from anybody about me changing the edit page text in Language.php, moving/modifying [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]], creating [[Wikipedia:Terms and conditions]], and for Alex to start [[Wikipedia:Indemnify]]? -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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Just introducing myself...
by Brian Corr 28 Sep '03

28 Sep '03

Hello all, While being home I've gotten sucked into being a Wikiholic -- including trying to deal with vandalism out of general annoyance and stubbornness -- so much so that I wonder if I'll ever finish the article on Urban renewal that I'm working on.... Anyway, this seems like an interesting and excellent online community, and hopefully I can be a useful part of it. Cheers, Brian

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