>Yes, Martin is very often on-the-mark -- its good to see people seem to
recognizing
>that. (Considering that at a certain point, I thought he was gonna get
banned. ;)
>
>~S~
<chuckle>, yes, I know what you mean. I thought I myself was going to
get banned when I first started at Wikipedia. Maybe it's the "reformed
sinner" who becomes the best proponent of goodness. That's one reason I
worked so hard to get Lir reinstated. Why, I must have spent at least
$500 worth of consulting time in behind-the-scenes negotiations.
Uncle Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Stevertigo [mailto:utilitymuffinresearch2@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:14 AM
To: English Wikipedia
Subject: RE: [WikiEN-l] bans and blocks - proposed modificaion
"Poor, Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com> wrote:
Martin,
>You have my support for any changes you propose to the banning
and
>blocking procedure. I trust your judgment and FWIW you have my
"proxy" -
>you may even erase my 2 "objections" from [[Wikipedia:Bans and
blocks]],
>as they are now obsolete.
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Martin,
You have my support for any changes you propose to the banning and
blocking procedure. I trust your judgment and FWIW you have my "proxy" -
you may even erase my 2 "objections" from [[Wikipedia:Bans and blocks]],
as they are now obsolete.
Ed Poor
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:32:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Daniel Ehrenberg <littledanehren(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Welcome back Adam
> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
> Message-ID:
> <20030927203232.1685.qmail(a)web41804.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> --- Rick <giantsrick13(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Dan,
> >
> > I'm newer than you, and I've still seen how Lir
> > likes to confuse things with multiple names. What
> > do you mean, you don't know why he'd want to use
> two
> > logins? Because it's the way he makes things
> > difficult for the rest of us.
> >
> > RickK
>
> [I think] some people are still arguing that PP is
> not
> Adam. I'm not. I guess I shouldn't try to be NPOV on
> the mailing list.
> LDan
Dan, could you drop that matter please ?
It does not matter whether Adam log in as PP or Lir or
The Pope. She was given the right to edit again, and
that is all there is to say about it. Could she do it
without you people going on forever chatting about
her, and watching any of her move ? She is not an
insect to look under a magnifying glass ! Let her
breathe !
please !
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I note that there is a problem with some people on Wikipedia feeling ignored -
feeling that they did not have a proper opportunity to express their feelings on the
ban of EofT.
I note that this compares to similar problems I experienced on h2g2. On h2g2 a
"transgressions procedure" was implemented to increase the feeling of openness,
while maintaining the single point of decision, and this turned out to be highly
successful.
I have therefore made some proposed changes to
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bans_and_blockshttp://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bans_and_blocks
I would appreciate feedback. Jimbo has rightly expressed worries that public
discussion of bans *prior* to a banning decision can cause heartache and misery.
However, public decision *after* an initial banning decision is a separate matter.
I can vouch for this policy from personal experience, having had someone I knew
and cared for banned via this procedure. While I disagreed with the decision taken, I
did at least get the feeling that someone was listening to my opinions on the matter.
Of course, such discussion should not devolve into so-called "votes", and Jimbo
should retain the final decision. I do not seek increased openness to overthrow
Jimbo in some manner: merely to help Wikipedia exploit the healing properties of
light in what are inevitably tough and divisive decisions. As with the logo vote, I can
accept a decision that I disagree with easier, if I can accept the decision-making
process that led to it.
I commend the transgressions procedure to the cabal.
-Martin "MyRedDice" Harper
Erik,
Thank you for negotiating this agreement. It's an excellent example of
one hand washing another. They donate some news copy to the world, and
they get web hits in return. I look forward eagerly to next month's
progress report.
Ed Poor
Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:14:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Mahan <chris_mahan(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Welcome back Adam (Daniel
Ehrenberg)
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
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>>> She was given the right to edit again, and
>He. Lir is a he :)
We are not sure.
And several hes are shes on Wikipedia
And we do not have enough shes
And that will make for all shes called hes
And I like the idea of him being a she, if she agrees.
:-)
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##wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org## SRC=58
>From: Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)joey.bomis.com>
>Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
>To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
>Subject: [WikiEN-l] [roy_q_royce(a)hotmail.com: --A Request RE a
>WIKIArticle--]
>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:11:51 -0700
>
>I know too little about physics to have anything helpful to say here.
>Reading between the lines here, I'm guessing that Mr. Royce's views
>are not mainstream? Is there any helpful accomodation that could be
>made here?
>
Dear Mr. Wales,
You've sold us both short! :-) (<--please note smiley, Mr. Poor!)
You have assumed that you could not have anything helpful to say
about the physics of this situation, so you have also assumed that
it cannot be simply explained if one tries hard enough!
Since SR pertains only to rulers and clocks, and to the results of
measurements made thereby, this should tell us that it is not
exactly an inherently complex subject. (If you want one of those,
try quantum mechanics!)
I believe that the average layman can see that special relativity
does not pertain to E=mc^2, and my simple 5-step proof should make
a believer out of you.
Here is a brief 5-step proof/explanation for the average layman:
Everyone agrees that special relativity (SR) has some sort of
mass increase,* just as everyone agrees that SR has some sort of
time dilation and some sort of rod contraction. The question is,
What is physically happening in these three cases?
[* a minor technical point, it's really a momentum (which is simply
mass x velocity) increase]
Since most laymen feel much more comfortable discussing a clock
and its rhythm than discussing mass and momentum, and since all
three of the above SR effects are alike, it is much better to
begin by using a simple clock-rhythm example.
Step 1:
Picture a single, normally-operating atomic clock that is sitting
on a stationary table some where. (In "tech talk," it is continuously
at rest with respect to an inertial frame).
Step 2:
Note the fact that this clock cannot have more than one atomic
(internal, time-keeping) rhythm. (A clock that had two or more
different "tick rates" would have to be thrown away!)
Step 3:
Note the fact that observers in different SR frames will find
many "different rhythms" for this clock. (Indeed, in SR, one and
the same clock has an infinite number of "different rhythms.")
Step 4:
Reach the unavoidable conclusion that SR's "time dilation" does
not pertain to a clock's intrinsic (atomic, in this case) rhythm.
Step 5:
Apply this same argument to the other two cases (i.e., to the
momentum and rod contraction cases), and similarly reach the
equally unavoidable conclusion that SR does not pertain to either
intrinsic mass or to intrinsic rod length.
(Not that anything more is needed, but strength is added to our
argument by the fact that each of SR's cases are reciprocal; e.g.,
I see your clock is "running slow," but you also see _my_ clock
"running slow." If we were talking about real (atomic, intrinsic)
clock rhythms, then this would clearly be a physically impossible
situation, and the same applies to both the SR momentum and rod
contraction cases.)
At this point, although we have not answered our original question
about what was physically happening in these three cases, we have
answered the question about what was _not_ happening in these cases,
which means that we have answered the important question Does SR
pertain to physically real (or intrinsic) characteristics? And we
have found that the answer to this question is No. This tells us all
we need to know in order to prove our main point that SR does not
pertain to the equivalence of real mass with real energy (which is
of course stated explicitly by the equation E=mc^2).
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That looks good to me. Any objections from anybody about me changing the edit
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creating [[Wikipedia:Terms and conditions]], and for Alex to start
[[Wikipedia:Indemnify]]?
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Hello all,
While being home I've gotten sucked into being a Wikiholic -- including
trying to deal with vandalism out of general annoyance and stubbornness --
so much so that I wonder if I'll ever finish the article on Urban renewal
that I'm working on....
Anyway, this seems like an interesting and excellent online community, and
hopefully I can be a useful part of it.
Cheers, Brian