WikiEN-l July 2003

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Re: Crackpot articles
by Daniel Mayer 12 Jul '03

12 Jul '03

Timwi wrote: >What exactly does 'contributed' mean here? >If the articles are entirely new, then there's >no reason to act at all, other than improving >the articles. You are completely missing the point; The point was that the terms and concepts are pseudoscience junk and may not even warrent inclusion in our encyclopedia at all. But a simple Google search of "plasma cosmology" brings up this interesting website: http://www.matter-antimatter.com/plasma_cosmology.htm Which is a website which states (as fact) that "Plasma Cosmology has replaced the Steady State (1950's - 1960's) & Big Bang Theories (1960's - 1990's) of the Universe." (which is /complete/ hoghash in the most extreme) and also has this to say about a future NASA mission: :On July 4, 2005, NASA plans to collide a 350 :kilogram spacecraft into the antimatter Comet :Tempel 1. The spacecraft's impact with the :comet will result in a 7,500 Megatons explosion :that will fracture the 125 billion metric ton comet :into millions of fragments. The antimatter fragments :will disperse into solar orbit and periodically collide :with earth for years to come, produce tremendous :explosions (equivalent to millions of Megatons of :TNT), and will destroy life as we know it. :Armageddon will have come. Ee gads! I just paid off my mortgage. Bummer I won't be alive long to enjoy it. Give me a break. I'm a bit sick and tired of having this type of pseudo-science crap on our website. Real scientists don't have time to constantly neutralize every one of these stupid claims and Wikipedia will look as idiotic as the matter-antimatter website if we allow too much of this stuff. Sorry, I'm in a bit of a bad mood over the Reciprocal System of Theory nut Doug Bundy and his renewed efforts at trying to legitimize his pet "theory" by linking to it from valid scientific articles on Wikipedia. --mav

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Re: Use of Wikipedia articles at Malaspina.com
by koyaanis qatsi 11 Jul '03

11 Jul '03

Toby writes: > I'd argue that standard practice on a wiki > is that if you want to know who edited a > particular page, then you look at the page > history. Understanding that, derivers must > look there. Speaking of which, I'd just like to remind people that the final, unlinked (last) on a history page is not always trustworthy. A few weeks ago I was praised for having started the article on Alfred Hitchcok, but I had not--I was merely the 50th most recent edit at that point. There was another page of edits. Not such a big issue now, maybe, but it gives an incorrect impression. Off to file a bug report, kq __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re: group work, unattributed work (was: Use of Wikipedia articles at Malaspina.com)
by koyaanis qatsi 11 Jul '03

11 Jul '03

Jimmy writes: >(snip a bit about a hypothetical situation)< > Are you ethically required to research whether or not > Bob is his real name? Or, since he said he > was 'Bob', isn't that sufficient, morally, > ethically, and legally? > >I think this is a non-issue, really. I hadn't thought of it that way. Ok, you've convinced me. best, kq __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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World domination and the IRS
by John Knouse 10 Jul '03

10 Jul '03

My two cents worth: In the application for tax-exempt status, it's critical to be clear, concise, and understandable, and to clearly delineate past, present, and projected future activities, cast in the light of public service (particularly educational) purposes. If it's a really clean application, determination may be awarded within three months. If not, then it can take a couple of years of the IRS requesting additional information. -- John Knouse jaknouse(a)frognet.net

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Re: [WikiEN-l] World domination and the IRS
by webmaster 10 Jul '03

10 Jul '03

Well then I guess it's really lucky that we found a lawyer to do the work for us pro bono :). I'm sure Jimbo was pulling his hair out trying to fill those forms out. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: John Knouse <jaknouse(a)frognet.net> Reply-To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:36:51 -0700 >My two cents worth: > >In the application for tax-exempt status, it's critical to >be clear, concise, and understandable, and to clearly >delineate past, present, and projected future activities, >cast in the light of public service (particularly >educational) purposes. If it's a really clean application, >determination may be awarded within three months. If not, >then it can take a couple of years of the IRS requesting >additional information. > >-- >John Knouse >jaknouse(a)frognet.net > >_______________________________________________ >WikiEN-l mailing list >WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >

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Fuck article cited in Colorado court document
by steve vertigo 10 Jul '03

10 Jul '03

Someone pointed this out on Talk:Fuck -- From District Court, Larimer County, Colorado http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/fword1.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Re: [WikiEN-l] World domination. Recieving online donations
by webmaster 10 Jul '03

10 Jul '03

I would like to make a vote for having a link on every page. We already have links to Bug reports on every page. A text link need not be intrusive. There are multiple cases where we could loose out on a donation, by not having a link on every page. For instance, it is my impression that a large number of our visitors visit via a google search. So, they will probably not be visiting the main page, or a donation specific page. So, in this case, we would benifit by having "donate now" link on every page.. It sort of confuses me as to why anyone would object to this? These are not really come-ons. We need money for operations costs, we have a non-profit org to recieve donations. If we don't provide a donations link on at least most pages, then we may loose out on donations from people who just don't know they can donate. Additionally, I think that any rational person could read a page, describing why we need donations, and not get upset and/or label it as an "Excessive come-on." I mean, I don't think we are talking about a pop-up ad, are we? If someone were to purpose a pop-up, or a big flashy ad, or anything besides a simple non-intrusive link, I would probably object too. However, I think a text link would be perfectly acceptable. -- Michael Becker a.k.a. Mbecke a.k.a. MB ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: David Friedland <david(a)nohat.net> Reply-To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:49:49 -0400 >Once this is set up I imagine we will want a "Donate now" or similar >link on Wikipedia. I would just like to start the discussion by >registering a vote against having such a link (or worse yet, an image) >appear on every wiki page. Excessive come-ons are a total turn-off. > >- David [[User:Nohat]] > >webmaster wrote: > >>The Network for Good is "a nonprofit collaboration to help nonprofit organizations increase capacity, reach new audiences, and build Internet strategies." >> >>They have a service setup that allows Nonprofits with a Web site to collect donations by simply linking to their nonprofit's donation page from Network for Good. See: http://www.networkforgood.org/npo/fundraising/donations/index.html >> >>Charities receive 100% of the donations. >>Nonprofits pay no fees or costs. >>Donors receive records of contributions for tax purposes. >> >>If no one has any objections, I will setup an account for us (unless Jimmy will do it, since he is head of the foundation [I think?]). So Jimmy, just tell me if you want me to take care of this. >> >>-- >>Michael Becker >>a.k.a. Mbecker >>a.k.a. MB >>_______________________________________________ >>WikiEN-l mailing list >>WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org >>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >WikiEN-l mailing list >WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >

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RE: [WikiEN-l] World domination. Recieving online donations
by Peter Bartlett 09 Jul '03

09 Jul '03

> [Donations talk snipped] Is there a meta page anywhere discussing what any donations would be spent on? If time is ripe enough to discuss links... its ripe enough to discuss what the money would be spent on. There would seem to be some hard choices to make... e.g. it would be great to make a dent in the current running costs to Jimbo... but it would great if any money, such as it is, is used to do something that would not have been possible if it weren't for donations, Pete

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More license stuff - www.4reference.net
by a.crossman＠blueyonder.co.uk 09 Jul '03

09 Jul '03

While we're talking about the GFDL, www.4reference.net seems to have a lot of Wikipedia stuff online. Bizarrely, most of it is non-article space stuff like user pages, though some pages are real articles. Anyway, their pages don't seem to mention the license either. e.g: http://www.4reference.net/encyclopedias/wikipedia/HTML.html They do however mention that they got it from us. There are many such pages. A google search for: site:http://www.4reference.net Wikipedia turns them up. Top hit is Mbecker's white board. :-) Evercat -- Allan Crossman a.crossman(a)blueyonder.co.uk http://dogma.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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World domination. Recieving online donations
by Daniel Mayer 09 Jul '03

09 Jul '03

David [[User:Nohat]] wrote: >Once this is set up I imagine we will want a >"Donate now" or similar link on Wikipedia. >I would just like to start the discussion by >registering a vote against having such a >link (or worse yet, an image) appear on >every wiki page. Excessive come-ons are >a total turn-off. "Donate now" is a command so we wouldn't want to say that. But a simple, text only, normal link titled say "Donations" would be perfectly acceptable IMO. It would link to a Wikimedia.org page dealing with donations. Having a simple link makes it easy for people who want to donate to donate while not unnecessarily cluttering the interface of everyone else and looking like we are begging. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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