>(i) Establish a time + number of edits before any new user is
>unblockable
This has been discussed before:
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-May/002996.html
Jimbo said he wanted all sysops to be able to ban logged in users, and that
there's no need for another class. The usual checks and balances for abuse
of sysop power apply.
-- Tim Starling.
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Tony Wilson wrote:
>
> This current vulnerability is a *major* problem, and in my view it
> needs action RIGHT AWAY.
>
> In the meantime, Michael is running rampage through the database.
>
I remember, that someone on this list made the proposal to contact AOL in
order to ask them, if they could help in this problem. In my opinion we
should think about this option. It would be the easiest way to get rid of
this problem. There is only one Michael occupying our resources. Changing
our policies would be an adequate option, if there would be dozens of users
behaving like him. But in the moment it is only he.
I beg pardon, if this should have been already discussed. I wasn't around
the last month, so it may be that I missed such a discussion.
Mirko (Cordyph)
I got the impression that Developer's were called such b/c they worked
on software development? Maybe we should have a 3 category for
Super-users?
--
Michael Becker
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To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] We need a way to deal with AOL vandals THIS year
--- Tony Wilson <list(a)redhill.net.au> wrote:
> Right at this moment, Michael is logged in as
> User:Fuck. He has
> cottoned on to two key weaknesses in our security
> setup.
>
> Either one on its own is a problem, but both
> together is a gaping hole:
>
> (a) There is no way to block a logged-in user if you
> can't guess his IP
> address.
>
> Tony (Tannin)
I thought developers could block logged in users, just
not ordinary sysops. I'd like to change that, though.
I think there shouldn't be a distinction between sysop
and developer. Or maybe people become developers after
one month of sysophood.
--LittleDan
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Robert wrote:
>
> You are still fighting against things I have not said, and
> agaist positions that I do not have. That is why the edit
> war existed.
> BTW, I take offense at the insults that others on this list
> sent me in response to my message. Stop insulting my
> knowledge of this subject; that's just childish. Further,
> I am surprised to see someone admit that they will refuse
> to agree with me, even thought they admit I might have a
> good point, just because they disagree with how I
> characterized the situation. Making decisions based on
> semantics is not proper, and does not reflect the level of
> mature professionalism this encyclopaedia requires.
Obviously you are accusing Toby Bartels and me of having insulted you.
Above you claim, Anthere is "fighting against things I have not said".
Ironically this is exactly your problem:
- Nobody on this mailing list has insulted you
- Nobody said, that he would agree with you, if you just would
characterise the situation in another way
Why can't you just think about what other people try to tell you? A
good start would be to stop calling your opponents vandals. Instead of
responding to the criticism you keep thinking, that everyone with another
opinion is hating or insulting you. It is really very, very difficult
to have a fruitful discussion in this way.
I hope, you will be able to read the messages again and take them as
advice and not as insult.
Regards,
Mirko.
Woops! Correction to my previous post. It was #3 idea that I didn't
like - the not allowing "Move Page" to ordinary users. My post didn't
make that clear. Sorry, team.
Tony
Toby Bartels wrote:
>
> If creating an article myself, I'd place it at a title with the umlaut.
> But I doubt that I'd move an article that was placed somewhere else
> (especially for old place names, which often have English "translations"
> that are more than mere *transliterations* into English orthography).
> The really important thing is what Dan said: Create redirects!
> Unless the naming conventions address a situation explicitly
> (and often even when they do), then one should create redirects
> from any title that might reasonably be linked to.
>
I agree with Dan and with you, that redirects are important. But some
people have been very busy with moving articles, so one half is now placed
under Ä and the other half under AE, which is rather unsatisfying. I am not
in favour of one option or the other, I just would like to have clarity. In
the present condition one could think, that the correct spelling of one
place is AE and of the other place is Ä.
> (Here I'm assuming that the city's name is really "Saßnitz" in German.
> I'm not sure if it is! I wasn't able to find a clear example.)
>
It is.
Mirko
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Julie asks:
> By the way, is anybody referring to articles OTHER
> than the ones with explicit sexual (in any variety)
> details?
Well, sure, I was just leaving most of them out
because the email was long already. Let's see, what's
a list of things I could imagine people wanting to
keep their kids in the dark about:
The Holocaust
Cannibalism
Dismemberment
Insanity
Genocide
Matricide, patricide, infanticide
Suicide
Slavery
Oddly enough, not the Old Testament, in spite of
including all of the above that it feasibly could.
There are also other piddling things like profanity
and drug use that kids can often school their parents
in. FWIW, I think parents choose to delude themselves
in large part, imagining children are more naive than
they are or ever have been. I'll give you a colorful
anecdote if you care--in private--but most of you
probably don't.
kq
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Robert wrote:
>
> Folks, we currently have an edit-war between Anthere and
> the world over the Gaia theory article.
>
I am not able to say who is right in this debate, but nevertheless I want
to say this: Whenever you are engaged in an edit war with someone, you
start to call him a vandal. I remember, that you've been told more than
once, what vandalism is and what it is not. Your way of insulting other
contributors has already led to the situation, that almost nobody takes
your claims seriously. So please find another way of discussing your
problems, and probably you will find more sympathy for your points of view
then.
Mirko (Cordyph)
I understood sysops had the ability to protect pages
in case of an edit war. Apparently, it is not enough
to ask for the protection in the comment box. So I
suppose it has to be asked specifically somewhere.
Could I know *where* it is for the next time I am told
I am a vandal, a liar, a fool out of his mind and
unable to read english ?
And treated as if I were a man !!!
I could get to bed earlier that way :-)
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