WikiEN-l January 2003

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A mentor system
by Erik Moeller 17 Jan '03

17 Jan '03

As we grow larger, we get more and more users who seemingly act against at least some of our rules or do not understand what our mission is. 172, Frank Wappler, Stevertigo and others are users I would classify as "problematic". However, doing so on the wiki will not help us much, it will only alienate them from Wikipedia. There is, of course, a certain point at which we need to ban users, but I do not see this line being crossed in these cases yet. Another idea would be to create a list of "Watched users", with a "watcher" assigned to each one of them, keeping an eye on their contributions. However, this does have negative connotations, which might lead to edit wars on the respective page. A more positive, affirmative approach might be to create a mentor policy. It could work like this: [[Wikipedia:Available mentors]] -> everyone willing to be a mentor can put themselves in that list. Only requirement: needs to have been a Wikipedian for n months. (I suggest n=6). [[Wikipedia:Votes for mentoring]] -> users who may need a mentor can be added to this list. The "Available mentors" link could be put on the main page and linked prominently elsewhere so that new users who want some hand holding can message one of them directly. If we "vote for mentoring" of a user, the assigned mentor could put some text on the user's talk page: "Hello, .... It has been suggested that one of the Wikipedia oldtimers could help you better understand our policies and convention. In that spirit, I will try to work with you on your future edits to make sure they meet our standards of neutrality and research. If that bothers you, please comment on my Talk page or on the [[Wikipedia:Votes for mentoring]] page." What do you think? I do believe that we need to watch the edits of problematic users in a more coordinated fashion, at least. Regards, Erik -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!

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DW images upload
by Eric Demolli 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

I'm nearly certain that DW is posting copyrighted photos he doesn't seem to answer to question. Ericd

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Draft of our 2003 press release
by Daniel Mayer 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

I have created a draft for our 2003 press release and have placed it at http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:2003_Press_Release Unfortunately, I will be out of town for the next several days so I will not be able to submit a news summary to Slashdot or anywhere else if we hit the 100,000 article mark while I am gone. So it would be great if somebody else could do this. See the talk page for some suggested text to send to Slashdot. Also, if anybody knows where we could submit our press release for free then please do so when the time comes. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) WikiKarma Payment: Writing the draft press release and http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=January_16&diff=590304&oldid=58…

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Vandalism Watch
by Geoff Burling 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

For some reason, the topic ``Samnite wars 327 - 290 BC" is attracting a number of vandals. Well, so far two. Following various links related to Roman History, I took a look at this article last night & found it was nothing more than several lines of gibberish. Instead of blanking this out, I overwrote it with a stub entry based on 10 minutes of research. As part of my daily habit, I took a look at all of the articles I had editted, to see if anyone had changed them & saw this one had been altered. Looking at the article tonight, I saw some more gibberish added to the end from different IP address than the first edits. If a bunch of vandals can't help but turn this article into gibberish, maybe it should just be deleted. Geoff

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deliberate vandalism to ensure article can't be reverted.
by james duffy 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Hi Tom, I've a serious allegation to make about a fellow Wiki. I wrote a page on the Irish Potato famine which became rather controversial with two people. One of them threatened to revert any changes I made, and make sure I could not revert his changes back. He rewrote one section of the page in a decidedly POV, dodgy historical way. When I tried to revert, I found that many of the earlier versions had been vandalised, by him, so as to ensure that either I could not revert to them or that if I did, the page would be so littered with POVs (his interpretations of what he thinks my POVs are!) as to be pulled off. Here's an example of one of the paragraphs vandalised. The changes he made are in capitals. One issue which divides the perspective of Ireland on the history of the Famine from some BOGUS attitudes among the FAKE Irish - living abroad, is the claim, made by some of the latter, that the Famine amounted to genocide by the British against the Irish. Few Irish historians accept such a PATENTLY FALSE definition, which would imply a deliberate policy of extermination. While all are agreed that the British policies during the Famine, particularly those applied by the ministry of [[Lord John Russell]], were somewhat misguided, perhaps ill-informed and frequently counter-productive, with Professor Joe Lee calling what happened a 'holocaust', [9] Irish, British and American historians of the cailbre of Professors [[F.S.L. Lyons]], John A. rphy, Joe Lee, Roy Foster, and James S. Donnelly, Jr, as well as historians Cecil Woodham-Smith, Peter Gray, Ruth Dudley Edwards and many others have long dismissed claims of A DELIBERATE POLICY OF genocide. PERHAPS MORE THAN A STRONG BELIEF. I spotted this paragraph by chance. I saw other dodgy add ons as well. I had to go back to the version before he began his first of a series of (seemingly innocent) changes (announcing how he was correcting a spelling or a grammatical mistake, etc) to find a version that had not been vandalised. The person responsible, according to the records, is the same person who threatened to do something; Stevertigo. What should we do about this? It is one thing to row over interpretation, but to deliberately vandalise earlier versions so that they cannot be used or would get pulled as being POV, is astonishing. I know how annoyed many of us are with 172, but at least (as far as I know) all he does is revert versions, not vandalise earlier versions as well so that no one can revert his revertions. I don't fancy having to stand guard over an article most people are happy with, all because some twat is determined to find some way of screwing it up If this is the standard of behaviour that Stevertigo is bringing to Wiki, then he should be banned. JT _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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172 :-(
by Eric Demolli 15 Jan '03

15 Jan '03

172 is still POVing some articles have a look at : 2008 Summer Olympics history & Talk

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Vacation for Uncle Ed
by Poor, Edmund W 14 Jan '03

14 Jan '03

I enjoyed my vacation very much, and I see that in my absence everything went much better! So maybe I should stay away a bit longer ^_^ Ed Poor

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Re: [WikiEN-l] appearence of Wikipedia
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 14 Jan '03

14 Jan '03

You Wrote: >We got mentioned as a resource for a particular topic in The Straight Dope. >Their homepage is http://www.straightdope.com. The recent article I am >talking about that mentions us is >http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030110.html > >--Qaz Yes, that's been on the top 20 random "Links for your browsing pleasure" at http://kottke.org for a few days. I haven't noticed any surge in anonymous edits to the page, though, so I'm still curious how many people follow the links. kq wikikarma: [[Oman]] and related pages Jan 14 ~ 02:30 UTC

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appearence of Wikipedia
by Qaz 14 Jan '03

14 Jan '03

We got mentioned as a resource for a particular topic in The Straight Dope. Their homepage is http://www.straightdope.com. The recent article I am talking about that mentions us is http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030110.html --Qaz

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Micronations
by daniwo59＠aol.com 13 Jan '03

13 Jan '03

In a message dated 1/7/2003 10:01:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, cunctator(a)kband.com writes: > On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 21:20, daniwo59(a)aol.com wrote: > >We now have an extensive and linked list of imaginary countries, including > my > >personal favorite, "Purple Bunny" (I kid you not). Another link is to the > >Confederate Online States. Will we have an article for each state in the > >"confederacy" too? I think this is getting a tad excessive. Anyone else > think > >so too? > > > My question is, so what? Wikipedia is not paper. If you think it's > excessive, then don't contribute to it. > > The real problem is that most of the entries are being written in CIA > World Factbook style, not Wikipedia style. > I would like to think that we are trying to put together a serious encyclopedia. It has nothing to do with whether we are paper or not.

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