I've already blocked about a dozen IPs from this person and they keep on
comming back for more. This person makes 2 or 3 vandalism and then gets a new
IP. I know these are AOL proxies so they will have to be unblocked soon.
Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com> writes:
> elian wrote:
> > It seems to me that he really has NPOV in mind, but is too mangled in his
> > hatred against anything he considers as anti-semitic to realize how biased
> > his own writings are.
> I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you about RK, because I haven't
> read much of the relevant writings, but I suspect that virtually
> everyone has some "hot button" issue where NPOV writing will be
You will get a good impression at
and its corresponding article.
After this discussion - and I thank all the people who tried - I can
understand why no one wants to get involved in these topics anymore.
> Certainly good advice. Unfortunately, it is also true that people
> tend to know a lot about their "hot button" issues, and therefore have
> the ability to write a lot about them.
Of course, but it is all filtered knowledge, focussed on one specific
item. It is a bit like the fanatic feminist who asks in every book she is
reading: and how was this philosophers/writers/musicians attitude towards women?
> > Better be anti-Arab, it is politically a lot more opportune...
> Better, still, of course, is to not get involved on the level of
> advocacy at all.
Nice wish, but we _are_ already involved.
BTW: have you ever thought about how to ensure that the international
Wikipedias follow a NPOV-policy? And what the possible risks are if they
where will microsoft try to drag you today?
do you really want to go there?
Forgive me - I think this was asked already, but I can't find an answer in
the archives. If a member chooses to read the WikiEN-l list as e-mail, and
another member reads it as a newsgroup, if the newsgroup reader replies to the
newsgroup, will the e-mail reader get the reply too?
> Poor, Edmund W wrote:
> > Hi.
> > Thanks for running the test, but the answer really isn't up to me.
> > 1. Although I am an administrator of wikiEN-l I don't make policy. I only
> carry out the will of the group.
> So it is up to you, the group. Are there any formal objections against
> adding wikiEN-l to gmane.org?
> If you have not seen the postings about this at wikitech-l, please read
> It will give to who are interested a better way of reading and using the
> lists of wikipedia. But it will not change anything to the current list
> or the way users use it. There are not disadvantages. Modderation or not
> makes not difference about this.
> No responds = no objection
> See Wikitech-l for a example
> > 2. I am going on vacation until Jan. 2, 2003 -- so I won't be around to make
> this happen!
> > Thus I cast off the spell of virtual reality and return the real world.
> > "Poof!"
> > Ed Poor
22.214.171.124 vandalized something else, then removed the note on the
vandalism in progress page that said that he was vandalizing. I blocked the
address (vandalizing the vandalism page is cause for immediate blocking),
then looked it up and found that it's an AOL proxy and a neighboring proxy
was already blocked for some other vandalism. He will probably be back from
yet another proxy. Don't hesitate to block if he vandalizes the vandalism
page, but once he gives up, they should all be unblocked so that someone else
can use them.
Poor, Edmund W wrote:
> Thanks for running the test, but the answer really isn't up to me.
> 1. Although I am an administrator of wikiEN-l I don't make policy. I only carry out the will of the group.
So it is up to you, the group. Are there any formal objections against
adding wikiEN-l to gmane.org?
If you have not seen the postings about this at wikitech-l, please read
It will give to who are interested a better way of reading and using the
lists of wikipedia. But it will not change anything to the current list
or the way users use it. There are not disadvantages. Modderation or not
makes not difference about this.
No responds = no objection
See Wikitech-l for a example
> 2. I am going on vacation until Jan. 2, 2003 -- so I won't be around to make this happen!
> Thus I cast off the spell of virtual reality and return the real world.
> Ed Poor
What is the fear of Jimbo's proposed moderation experiment?
All he's saying is that wikiEN-l will be moderated for a little over 2 months, i.e., until March 1, 2003. At that point we will decide whether to unmoderate it, or to continue.
Anyone who wants to participate on a moderated English-language list, to discuss the English Wikipedia, is welcome. All others are still free to post to wikipedia-l which will remain unmoderated. Those who like their scum or slush or whatever unfiltered will still get plenty this way.
What could possibly be wrong with such an experiment?
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 04:00 am, wikien-l-request(a)wikipedia.org wrote:
> Hold on! Let's not get carried away! This most recent debate affected
> only a handful of countries with very special problems. For most
> countries the short form is not problematical, and these articles can
> carry on just as they are. [[History of the French Republic]] may be a
> perfectly valid article when [[History of France]] needs to broken into
> smaller chunks, but it's not an immediate necessity. It would help
> nobody if we started to develop solutions for problems that don't exist.
> The problem countries will make themselves obvious when then time comes.
Just following the new logic. Why should our article on the modern state of
Mexico have history in it that doesn't belong to it? The history of the
modern state called Mexico really doesn't start until until 1917 when its
current constitution was drafted (arguably it may have started when it got
its independence from Spain in 1810). So it is only logical that the article
on the modern state should be at [[United States of Mexico]] and the main
article on Mexican art, culture and history would be at [[Mexico]] (the
history would probably start with Cortez since Mexican art and culture is a
blending of Mesoamerican and Spanish art and culture).
I really fail to see much of a difference between China, Mexico, France and
many other nations in this regard.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
WikiKarma Payment. Have you had your Wiki today?
In view of Clutch's apology and extraordinary promise, I ask the
community to drop any further discussion of banning him.
And now I really must go.
See you all next year!
From: Jonathan Walther [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:34 PM
Subject: [WikiEN-l] an apology to everyone
I would like to apologize to everyone for claiming that there was a
concensus on the article "Jehovah's Witnesses: Controversial Issues".
A concensus involves everyones agreement, and that obviously was not the
As a demonstration of good faith, I promise to abstain from reverting
articles for the remainder of this year (2002).
>First, any one approver can send message onward to the list. So the
>conspiracy of silence would have to be unanimous.
>Second, I pledge to log in at least once per day, weekdays, to process
>all the remainders. (Possibly the list will be made unmoderated on
>the weekends? Or the approvers can be more generous on the weekends.)
>Third, any post that I reject will give the poster the option of
>INSISTING that it be published as-is, subject only to whatever legal
>liability I might face if it's really awful (like a death threat).
>Fourth, wikipedia-l will remain unmoderated, so anyone who feels that
>I've been cruel can squawk about it over there, unhindered.
>Do those safeguards address your concerns sufficiently?
Sounds fine. I'm not trying to be difficult, really. I do want
*something* to change, you know. :-)