Hello, If I can re-open this thread, I am very interested in moving towards a read-write offline platform. After helpful feedback from people in this community, I have decided to start two wikis in the hope of a collaborative implementation, (content transcluded below)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Offline_Editorship http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Offline/Wiki
==============
Motivation
Offline reader software packages lack the ability to edit. The wiki concept should not be abandoned even in this seemingly marginal use case. Collaboration becomes possible from any remote situation, really interesting applications include a small community's school contributing back to Wikipedia, or scientists who use a wiki to coordinate their work.
Strategies
Note that these approache are exclusive. * Browser-based editing saves to an HTML5 cache * Alternative to mediawiki page rendering * Edit mode for Kiwix
=========
Hi Adam,
I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://www.tiddlywiki.com) to have a local personal wiki of my own. Its biggest advantage is that the whole thing is in 1 single HTML file which you can take around with you. It has all the wiki syntax, custom html formatting between <html></html> tags, search, automatic backup/save, tags... a lot of features. It's editable on Firefox and in browsers where it's not editable, it's at least viewable.
It can't embed images into itself, but can display and link to local files which you store in the same folder or subfolder etc. Check it out. Maybe we can mix the technologies or import one to the other.
Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Adam Wight spam@ludd.net wrote:
Hello, If I can re-open this thread, I am very interested in moving towards a read-write offline platform. After helpful feedback from people in this community, I have decided to start two wikis in the hope of a collaborative implementation, (content transcluded below)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Offline_Editorship http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Offline/Wiki
==============
Motivation
Offline reader software packages lack the ability to edit. The wiki concept should not be abandoned even in this seemingly marginal use case. Collaboration becomes possible from any remote situation, really interesting applications include a small community's school contributing back to Wikipedia, or scientists who use a wiki to coordinate their work.
Strategies
Note that these approache are exclusive.
- Browser-based editing saves to an HTML5 cache
- Alternative to mediawiki page rendering
- Edit mode for Kiwix
=========
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
Student Notebook and Tiddlywiki are a really brilliant, thanks for sending the link. I'm hoping to install for myself and recommend to a farm education program--now that I discovered why the browser and file permissions were preventing me from saving changes. That seems like something which will be an issue for many other users--their list of browser incompatibilities (http://tiddlywiki-com.tiddlyspace.com/search?q=tag:browsers) looks short, at least.
I was still curious to see what other wiki platforms are designed for offline use, and so without knowing better, I compiled a list:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Projects_Overview#Other_offl...
Regards, Adam Wight
nikhil.js@gmail.com:
Hi Adam,
I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://www.tiddlywiki.com) to have a local personal wiki of my own. Its biggest advantage is that the whole thing is in 1 single HTML file which you can take around with you. It has all the wiki syntax, custom html formatting between <html></html> tags, search, automatic backup/save, tags... a lot of features. It's editable on Firefox and in browsers where it's not editable, it's at least viewable.
It can't embed images into itself, but can display and link to local files which you store in the same folder or subfolder etc. Check it out. Maybe we can mix the technologies or import one to the other.
Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Adam Wight spam@ludd.net wrote:
Hello, If I can re-open this thread, I am very interested in moving towards a read-write offline platform. After helpful feedback from people in this community, I have decided to start two wikis in the hope of a collaborative implementation, (content transcluded below)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Offline_Editorship http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Offline/Wiki
==============
Motivation
Offline reader software packages lack the ability to edit. The wiki concept should not be abandoned even in this seemingly marginal use case. Collaboration becomes possible from any remote situation, really interesting applications include a small community's school contributing back to Wikipedia, or scientists who use a wiki to coordinate their work.
Strategies
Note that these approache are exclusive.
- Browser-based editing saves to an HTML5 cache
- Alternative to mediawiki page rendering
- Edit mode for Kiwix
=========
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
This is a great initiative. I wonder if this would be something worth working on in one of the upcoming hackathons. There is one in Berline in March; if there was a group that would be interested in working specifically on this and can go that could be really cool!
There is also a hackathon before Wikimania every year; that might be a little more realistic timeframe :)
Jessie
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Nikhil Sheth nikhil.js@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Adam,
I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://www.tiddlywiki.com) to have a local personal wiki of my own. Its biggest advantage is that the whole thing is in 1 single HTML file which you can take around with you. It has all the wiki syntax, custom html formatting between <html></html> tags, search, automatic backup/save, tags... a lot of features. It's editable on Firefox and in browsers where it's not editable, it's at least viewable.
It can't embed images into itself, but can display and link to local files which you store in the same folder or subfolder etc. Check it out. Maybe we can mix the technologies or import one to the other.
Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Adam Wight spam@ludd.net wrote:
Hello, If I can re-open this thread, I am very interested in moving towards a read-write offline platform. After helpful feedback from people in this community, I have decided to start two wikis in the hope of a collaborative implementation, (content transcluded below)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Offline_Editorship http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Offline/Wiki
==============
Motivation
Offline reader software packages lack the ability to edit. The wiki concept should not be abandoned even in this seemingly marginal use case. Collaboration becomes possible from any remote situation, really interesting applications include a small community's school contributing back to Wikipedia, or scientists who use a wiki to coordinate their work.
Strategies
Note that these approache are exclusive.
- Browser-based editing saves to an HTML5 cache
- Alternative to mediawiki page rendering
- Edit mode for Kiwix
=========
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
CC'ing Jon Robson our new Mobile Dev whos also been a TiddlyWiki dev in the past
--tomasz
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Jessie Wild jwild@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is a great initiative. I wonder if this would be something worth working on in one of the upcoming hackathons. There is one in Berline in March; if there was a group that would be interested in working specifically on this and can go that could be really cool!
There is also a hackathon before Wikimania every year; that might be a little more realistic timeframe :)
Jessie
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Nikhil Sheth nikhil.js@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Adam,
I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://www.tiddlywiki.com) to have a local personal wiki of my own. Its biggest advantage is that the whole thing is in 1 single HTML file which you can take around with you. It has all the wiki syntax, custom html formatting between <html></html> tags, search, automatic backup/save, tags... a lot of features. It's editable on Firefox and in browsers where it's not editable, it's at least viewable.
It can't embed images into itself, but can display and link to local files which you store in the same folder or subfolder etc. Check it out. Maybe we can mix the technologies or import one to the other.
Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Adam Wight spam@ludd.net wrote:
Hello, If I can re-open this thread, I am very interested in moving towards a read-write offline platform. After helpful feedback from people in this community, I have decided to start two wikis in the hope of a collaborative implementation, (content transcluded below)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Offline_Editorship http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Offline/Wiki
==============
Motivation
Offline reader software packages lack the ability to edit. The wiki concept should not be abandoned even in this seemingly marginal use case. Collaboration becomes possible from any remote situation, really interesting applications include a small community's school contributing back to Wikipedia, or scientists who use a wiki to coordinate their work.
Strategies
Note that these approache are exclusive.
- Browser-based editing saves to an HTML5 cache
- Alternative to mediawiki page rendering
- Edit mode for Kiwix
=========
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
-- *Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
I agree! This would be most interesting for a hackathon. If you have any concrete ideas on how MediaWiki and TiddlyWiki could help each other it would be worth putting this down in words on this mailing list and in the TiddlyWiki group [1] if only to see if there is interest there. It's a very friendly community, and I must say I've seen very little trolling there and lots of enthusiasm in my time :-)
There has certainly been interest and attempts in the past to download mediawiki into TiddlyWiki's. You may be interested in MediaWikiUnplugged [2] which was the result of a hack day several years ago to allow you to take MediaWiki's offline to read in internet hostile environments such as planes/holidays/desert islands. It is quite old and seems to have broken (on first glance this seems due to cross domain origin ajax requests) but it might be of interest if you are interested in exploring the plugins it uses. There are also various MediaWiki plugins out there most notably MediaWiki adaptors [3] out there that change TiddlyWiki to use MediaWiki's syntax.
Hope this helps. Interested to see if anything comes out of this!
[1] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki [2] http://mediawikiunplugged.com/ [3] http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/contributors/MartinBudden/adaptors/MediaWiki...
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
CC'ing Jon Robson our new Mobile Dev whos also been a TiddlyWiki dev in the past
--tomasz
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Jessie Wild jwild@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is a great initiative. I wonder if this would be something worth working on in one of the upcoming hackathons. There is one in Berline in March; if there was a group that would be interested in working specifically on this and can go that could be really cool!
There is also a hackathon before Wikimania every year; that might be a little more realistic timeframe :)
Jessie
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Nikhil Sheth nikhil.js@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Adam,
I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://www.tiddlywiki.com) to have a local personal wiki of my own. Its biggest advantage is that the whole thing is in 1 single HTML file which you can take around with you. It has all the wiki syntax, custom html formatting between <html></html> tags, search, automatic backup/save, tags... a lot of features. It's editable on Firefox and in browsers where it's not editable, it's at least viewable.
It can't embed images into itself, but can display and link to local files which you store in the same folder or subfolder etc. Check it out. Maybe we can mix the technologies or import one to the other.
Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Adam Wight spam@ludd.net wrote:
Hello, If I can re-open this thread, I am very interested in moving towards a read-write offline platform. After helpful feedback from people in this community, I have decided to start two wikis in the hope of a collaborative implementation, (content transcluded below)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Offline_Editorship http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Offline/Wiki
==============
Motivation
Offline reader software packages lack the ability to edit. The wiki concept should not be abandoned even in this seemingly marginal use case. Collaboration becomes possible from any remote situation, really interesting applications include a small community's school contributing back to Wikipedia, or scientists who use a wiki to coordinate their work.
Strategies
Note that these approache are exclusive.
- Browser-based editing saves to an HTML5 cache
- Alternative to mediawiki page rendering
- Edit mode for Kiwix
=========
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
-- Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
Am 28.02.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Jessie Wild:
This is a great initiative. I wonder if this would be something worth working on in one of the upcoming hackathons. There is one in Berline in March; if there was a group that would be interested in working specifically on this and can go that could be really cool!
The Berlin Hackathon takes place from June 1-3. So there is still a little more time. (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012)
Best, Christoph
There is also a hackathon before Wikimania every year; that might be a little more realistic timeframe :)
Jessie
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Nikhil Sheth nikhil.js@gmail.com wrote: Hi Adam,
I've been using Tiddlywiki (http://www.tiddlywiki.com) to have a local personal wiki of my own. Its biggest advantage is that the whole thing is in 1 single HTML file which you can take around with you. It has all the wiki syntax, custom html formatting between <html></html> tags, search, automatic backup/save, tags... a lot of features. It's editable on Firefox and in browsers where it's not editable, it's at least viewable.
It can't embed images into itself, but can display and link to local files which you store in the same folder or subfolder etc. Check it out. Maybe we can mix the technologies or import one to the other.
Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Adam Wight spam@ludd.net wrote: Hello, If I can re-open this thread, I am very interested in moving towards a read-write offline platform. After helpful feedback from people in this community, I have decided to start two wikis in the hope of a collaborative implementation, (content transcluded below)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Offline_Editorship http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Offline/Wiki
==============
Motivation
Offline reader software packages lack the ability to edit. The wiki concept should not be abandoned even in this seemingly marginal use case. Collaboration becomes possible from any remote situation, really interesting applications include a small community's school contributing back to Wikipedia, or scientists who use a wiki to coordinate their work.
Strategies
Note that these approache are exclusive.
- Browser-based editing saves to an HTML5 cache
- Alternative to mediawiki page rendering
- Edit mode for Kiwix
=========
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
-- Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Christoph Kepper < christoph.kepper@pediapress.com> wrote:
Am 28.02.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Jessie Wild:
This is a great initiative. I wonder if this would be something worth working on in one of the upcoming hackathons. There is one in Berline in March; if there was a group that would be interested in working specifically on this and can go that could be really cool!
The Berlin Hackathon takes place from June 1-3. So there is still a little more time. (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012)
Best, Christoph
Oh - thanks for the correction, Cristoph! I guess I was thinking it was
before the chapters conference in March.
You know, it might be worth considering if there is a LARGE offline meeting we want to do together: to get together and work on the specific pieces of the Offline system. There are a lot of things we are working on that are *almost* there, but that just need the final push - whether that be tools for article selection, package compilation, reader functionality, or file support.
Would this be of interest to people? I would really love to see these projects scale together to the next level, and would love to devote energy into planning this if we could compile a critical mass.
Jessie
Hi Jessie,
you can count me in. How about holding a meeting at Wikimania this summer? This will probably be the largest event this year and we would still have some time to prepare things. I was planning to do a session on the new collection extension, but maybe we need some time to discuss how we can better coordinate our offline activities.
Best, Christoph
Am 29.02.2012 um 00:21 schrieb Jessie Wild:
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Christoph Kepper christoph.kepper@pediapress.com wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Jessie Wild:
This is a great initiative. I wonder if this would be something worth working on in one of the upcoming hackathons. There is one in Berline in March; if there was a group that would be interested in working specifically on this and can go that could be really cool!
The Berlin Hackathon takes place from June 1-3. So there is still a little more time. (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012)
Best, Christoph
Oh - thanks for the correction, Cristoph! I guess I was thinking it was before the chapters conference in March.
You know, it might be worth considering if there is a LARGE offline meeting we want to do together: to get together and work on the specific pieces of the Offline system. There are a lot of things we are working on that are *almost* there, but that just need the final push - whether that be tools for article selection, package compilation, reader functionality, or file support.
Would this be of interest to people? I would really love to see these projects scale together to the next level, and would love to devote energy into planning this if we could compile a critical mass.
Jessie
-- Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
jwild@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Christoph Kepper < christoph.kepper@pediapress.com> wrote:
Am 28.02.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Jessie Wild:
This is a great initiative. I wonder if this would be something worth working on in one of the upcoming hackathons. There is one in Berline in March; if there was a group that would be interested in working specifically on this and can go that could be really cool!
The Berlin Hackathon takes place from June 1-3. So there is still a little more time. (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012)
Best, Christoph
Oh - thanks for the correction, Cristoph! I guess I was thinking it was
before the chapters conference in March.
You know, it might be worth considering if there is a LARGE offline meeting we want to do together: to get together and work on the specific pieces of the Offline system. There are a lot of things we are working on that are *almost* there, but that just need the final push - whether that be tools for article selection, package compilation, reader functionality, or file support.
Would this be of interest to people? I would really love to see these projects scale together to the next level, and would love to devote energy into planning this if we could compile a critical mass.
Jessie
It's difficult to get a grasp on which offline projects are being actively pursued. From the meta.wikimedia.org pages, it looks like things break down thus:
* content selection for each language * dumping content to offline formats: collections, dumphtml * offline readers: Kiwix, OLPC, Openmoko, mobile * offline read-write * print editions
The dump tools already share output formats, but could be better integrated over intermediate or input file format.
Is it desirable to print from any step in the workflow? Maybe mwlib could be embedded into readers...
What are the other big intersections between projects?
-Adam
I'd love to participate in such an event at Wikimania, if something is organized for there (and the dates work OK). I strongly agree with Jessie's analysis - we are perhaps 95% there and stalled, and can't produce a really good offline selection easily until we get the last 5% done.
I can't contribute much at the technical end at all, but I can certainly make hopefully-not-too-stupid suggestions.
Martin (walkerma)
Martin A. Walker Department of Chemistry State University of New York at Potsdam +1 (315) 267-2271 walkerma@potsdam.edu
On 2/28/2012 6:21 PM, Jessie Wild wrote:
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Christoph Kepper <christoph.kepper@pediapress.com mailto:christoph.kepper@pediapress.com> wrote:
Am 28.02.2012 um 21:02 schrieb Jessie Wild:This is a great initiative. I wonder if this would be something worth working on in one of the upcoming hackathons. There is one in Berline in March; if there was a group that would be interested in working specifically on this and can go that could be really cool!The Berlin Hackathon takes place from June 1-3. So there is still a little more time. (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2012) Best, ChristophOh - thanks for the correction, Cristoph! I guess I was thinking it was before the chapters conference in March.
You know, it might be worth considering if there is a LARGE offline meeting we want to do together: to get together and work on the specific pieces of the Offline system. There are a lot of things we are working on that are *almost* there, but that just need the final push - whether that be tools for article selection, package compilation, reader functionality, or file support.
Would this be of interest to people? I would really love to see these projects scale together to the next level, and would love to devote energy into planning this if we could compile a critical mass.
Jessie
-- /Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation /
Offline-l mailing list Offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/offline-l
Hi,
On 03/01/2012 05:24 PM, Martin Walker wrote:
I'd love to participate in such an event at Wikimania, if something is organized for there (and the dates work OK).
then I'd like to point you to the submission to Wikimania I have made:
http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Offline_Workshop
I would love to see you there as part of the workshop.
/Manuel
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
Hi,
On 03/01/2012 05:24 PM, Martin Walker wrote:
I'd love to participate in such an event at Wikimania, if something is organized for there (and the dates work OK).
then I'd like to point you to the submission to Wikimania I have made:
http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Offline_Workshop
I would love to see you there as part of the workshop.
Thanks for the suggestion, Manuel. I wonder if this hour long session would be useful to have not as a workshop but perhaps as an overview/awareness presentation for the broader Wikimedia community, who are perhaps less knowledgable on the offline topic. What do you all think? Last year I felt a little sad we didn't do a more "promotional" presentation to reach out to people who were not necessarily already involved in the project.
I wonder for the purposes of this strategic planning / working meeting, if we need a few days of prioritizing, planning, and hacking/working from some of the people most deeply involved in different projects. This seems like something that could be potentially be done during the hackathon days of the conference: July 10-11.
Otherwise, we could alternatively plan a weekend in June, if this is more appealing to folks, or meets more availability.
I started a page on the Offline Projects page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Volunteer_Page/2012_offline_...
Please:
1. Put your username if you are (in general) interested in attending this; this will help us gauge the number of people who want to be involved 2. Indicate your availability for the Wikimania dates 3. Suggest alternate dates 4. Suggest agenda items
Thanks for your interest. I think this could be _awesome_. Again: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Volunteer_Page/2012_offline_...
Jessie