We had an offline conference a number of years ago. A lot has changed since
then. Wondering if folks think it would be useful having an offline day
before or after Wikimania or Wiki Con North America etc?
By the way the sales page is up again at the Wikipedia store
https://store.wikimedia.org/products/internet-in-a-box
We are also looking at expanding the sites of assembly. And discussing if
we should add more options of machines, ie rasp pi 4 or 5
Best
J
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Thanks Stephane, we have recently shipped another 190 units to the
Wikipedia Store. It will take a bit more work on both our ends before
we can get more for sale and this will not be until December at the
earliest. So still a limited supply :-)
James
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> One of us will probably be at Wikimania, so yes that would be a good idea – and as Michael says Africa is a massive use case for offline.
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> We had an offline conference a number of years ago. A lot has changed since then. Wondering if folks think it would be useful having an offline day before or after Wikimania or Wiki Con North America etc?
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> By the way the sales page is up again at the Wikipedia store
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> We are also looking at expanding the sites of assembly. And discussing if we should add more options of machines, ie rasp pi 4 or 5
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Hi all,
Wikimania is in Nairobi next year, and as it happens, Kiwix is booming in
Africa. The Open Foundation West Africa has put a lot of resources into
building user communities, which was obvious at the recent Wiki Indaba in
Johannesburg, where there was a hackathon channel
<https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2024/Program#Hackat…>
for the second time.
So, what James is saying makes sense!
Regards,
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> We had an offline conference a number of years ago. A lot has changed since
> then. Wondering if folks think it would be useful having an offline day
> before or after Wikimania or Wiki Con North America etc?
>
> By the way the sales page is up again at the Wikipedia store
> https://store.wikimedia.org/products/internet-in-a-box
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> We are also looking at expanding the sites of assembly. And discussing if
> we should add more options of machines, ie rasp pi 4 or 5
>
> Best
> J
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Hey All
After many years of effort, Internet-in-a-Box is now available at the
Wikipedia store.
https://store.wikimedia.org/products/internet-in-a-box
The device being shipped is a Pi Zero 2 W with 256 Gb uSD. The content on
the device is as listed here
https://iiab.me/starter/
Best
--
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
It appears that the WMF Board has indicated that they would vote against the Charter. WMDE published a call in support, and they seem to be doing some lobbying (I got the info via an official mail from Wikimedia CH; not sure their board has decided anything yet)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter#Wikimedia_Deutschland…
SCM
With respect to one problem we are trying to solve, we need structures
which keep control of the Wikimedia Movement in the hands of the volunteers
who are actively involved in the movement itself. To achieve this I feel we
at least need the majority of the seats on the boards of our largest
movement entities to be directly appointed / elected from the membership of
the movement itself. And that these individuals need to be able to act in
the best interests of the movement as a whole.
This is not something Western corporations are easily structured to
accomplish. However, this is not solved by adding another layer of
bureaucracy, but by improving our current layers. We need to not
allow executive directors / paid staff / current board members undue
influence over bringing on future board members in the name of achieving
their own goals / acquiring certain expertise, etc rather than
accomplishing the communities direct will, with appropriate safeguards in
place.
My 2 cents
James
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> Thanks both for these thoughts! I also don't want to "just" say yes or
> no, but those are the options.
> We can leave a detailed comment about what we actually want to see. Maybe
> we draft that collaboratively?
>
> Stephane writes:
> > TL;DR: too complicated; structurally unable to address any type of
> challenge.
>
> I agree with this assessment for now. Overall engagement in these matters
> has dropped steadily since 2018. Creating a new body that's likely to
> struggle but will take up the time of another 25-100 people, may be
> depleting a critical resource. My preference is not to 'fake it till we
> make it', but to make simple clear steps that play to our strengths, solve
> explicit problems, and don't further divide us. Iterating on and
> strengthening a much simpler + more focused charter/council could build
> shared identity, and feel like moving from success to success. On this
> issue, to me that suggests voting "No" with a detailed, constructive
> comment rather than "Yes" with such a comment.
>
>
> *Longer thoughts*:
>
> Even at the fully-subsidized WM Summit, people complained it was hard to
> make time to participate without an additional stipend. Not many attendees
> had experience or appetite to run a new parliamentary bureaucracy [except
> those already employed by affiliates, who would be ineligible]. I proposed
> simplifications
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sj/Design_chats/Charter/en> to the
> charter at the time; 8 people found me to share comments in person, but
> none left comments or edits online. (I would have been just as happy with
> postive or negative edits; but *no* edits suggests a lack of energy for
> real drafting of policy or process texts)
>
> Participants all wanted more say in global decisions, for various reasons
> (including wanting more say in their own budget growth), but there was an
> odd sense of dependency. At the end of the Summit, a working group was
> formed to organize the next Summit in two years' time. They nominated a
> spokesperson to report to the audience. He said, and I swear I did not
> hallucinate this, "We are excited to start planning the next summit. First
> we need the WMF to provide a staff facilitator to help us schedule our
> meetings and keep notes."
>
> In contrast, the editors on the projects are quite independent, but are not
> that interested in nebulous governance issues. (perhaps like many on this
> list ;) The unaffiliated community hasn't given much feedback up til now,
> and should be part of the next step of the process. We must upgrade our
> global self-governance if we want the projects to evolve and thrive... but
> we have to work up to that.
>
> Things we need:
> a) Some rebalancing of resources across the movement. The example
> championed by Brazil is a good one, we need more like that.
> b) Larger affiliates need more stable funding commitments. Like 3-year
> commitments that can be revised down in line with all budgets if there's a
> global shortfall.
> --> We don't need a charter for these things; but an interim group that
> pushes hard on global allocation percentages. The WMF has already
> committed to having a body that could do this, in place by January.
>
> Problems:
> c) The council as currently written is a new bureaucracy, accountable only
> to itself and its new time-consuming election process.
> d) The latest charter sets up the council to implement and enforce a new
> global strategy... something no one really asked for. It's unlikely to go
> well. (Read cynically, this is a way for the council to force WMF to
> change its plans. Not a good start to trust-building. Under
> "Responsibilities" for WMF, *but not for affiliates*, the Charter reads
> "*The
> Wikimedia Foundation should align its work with the strategic direction and
> global strategy of the Global Council*" )
>
> Problems that may be irreversible:
> e) The current charter is impossible to update. Any edits require 50
> people to support the change on Meta, plus months for translation +
> announcement + full-movement ratification. Of course an edit could change
> the amendment clause... but policy-creep suggests this won't happen. It
> makes no sense to *start* with the sort of red tape that will one day grind
> things to a halt.
> f) The worst outcome in my view is that we somehow create a new class of
> self-perpetuating 'paid global bureaucrats' who become a new power bloc,
> with its own problems and conflicts, without solving existing problems.
>
> Sam.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:00 PM Stephane Coillet-Matillon <
> stephane(a)kiwix.org> wrote:
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> > Ok, I’ll bite (I’m in a bit of a rush so apologies in advance if the tone
> > seems curt. Not the intent, but emails often come out as such)
> >
> > My first concern is that I still don’t know what the exact problem is
> that
> > this charter is trying to solve. If it is to restore some balance between
> > Chapters/UG on one hand and the Foundation on the other hand (basically
> > undo what Sue Gardner did 15+ years ago and spread money around), I’m not
> > convinced at all: no matter how we frame it, the WMF’s main mission is to
> > support the tech that makes the whole movement exist in the first place,
> > and it is in some respects struggling at that. Except for
> Wikidata/Wikibase
> > (managed by WMDE; and possibly Kiwix as it spun off from WMCH), I don’t
> see
> > chapters/UG having brought much to the table in that regard. Could it be
> > that they could not because they did not have the resources? Well, that’s
> > what someone writing an AI/crypto pitch deck would say, but I’m not
> > convinced.
> >
> > So what is left when all this is said and done is this charter being a
> > fight for the « proper » allocation of money, and there is plenty of
> > literature to explain that there will never be enough of that. Whatever
> the
> > problem, it won’t be solved. In fact, the Brazilians have been *very
> *smart
> > in pushing their requirements for a bigger focus on Global South users
> > (Global Majority is not a good term, so don’t @ me), and it really did
> not
> > require having 100 people sitting on some sort of council to get things
> > moving forward.
> >
> > Which brings me to the Global council, the one thing that really rattles
> > me. There is a structural risk in putting people in charge only because
> > they demonstrated their love and participation in the project rather than
> > because they have specific skills/vision needed to give directions to a
> > Foundation spending 100 millions each year. We already have that, and
> > though I like them as people I also remember
> >
>
Dearly offline,
The Wikimedia Summit was last weekend in Berlin, which I attended on behalf
of WOW. It focused entirely on the idea of a Charter for our movement and
setting up a representative Council that could make global decisions
independently of the WMF.
Notes from the WM Summit
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2024#Final_Outputs_of_the_…>
compiled
by the hosts.
Photos from the event
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Summit_2024>
*Charter thoughts*
I found aspects of the current charter draft to be arbitrary and too
operational
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter#In_flux,_incomplete,_…>,
creating a large body without clarity about what it would do, with little
connection to the work of editors on the projects, and with hard-to-change
founding documents.
The main focus of the Berlin discussions was to identify changes that
attendees felt had to be made to the charter, for it to work. Answers to
questions posed ['what do you see as deal-breakers to approving a charter?
/ how would you improve the current text?"] were workshopped over two days
in groups. Then there was a final filtering into 46 condensed suggestions
that those in attendance voted on, and this filter removed some important
points of feedback. Given how the whole progressed, it would have
benefited from input from a broader group [at least sharing regular photos
back with our groups? I would try this next time] and from having already
responded to the most common feedback given on the charter talk page
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter>.
I don't feel the conclusion of the process worked. Some of the condensed
statements were underspecified, overcomplicated, or costly for little
benefit. Some common points -- for instance, that the charter had to be
simpler; or that a supermajority should be needed for ratification -- were
filtered out entirely. Only one proposal even mentioned unaffiliated
editors + groups, and translated that concept as '*unorganized volunteers*'
which, considering the wealth and depth of on-wiki organization, is not
accurate at all. The emotional build-up to the vote, and the presentation
of proposals in isolation, as though there were no tradeoffs involved,
contributed to every proposal getting majority support.
As an alternate example of how we could make progress in global governance,
I drafted a minimalist charter
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sj/Design_chats/Charter/en> that
captures tasks I heard people expect such a body to do, and would stay
flexible while we try to actually address those tasks in the coming year.
This is a wiki document: if the idea appeals, please edit it.
The drafting committee's plan is unchanged: to revise the charter draft
once more, then hold a movement-wide vote to ratify it in June. The
ratification would include a vote of affiliates (one vote per affiliate?),
and a simultaneous vote of all editors (one vote per person).
*Other movement thoughts*
Many recurring topics at the Summit seemed healthy: WMDE was adamant about
helping others learn to manage movement-governance events like the Summit,
and about not hosting themselves in two years' time. The spirit of peer
support and mentorship was very strong.
And some recurring topics felt unhealthy: mainly a sense of dependency.
Some affiliates said they felt they could not do anything without WMF
approval and grants, but did not want to feel any obligation to learn how
to develop independent support and partnerships. Some committee members
felt they could only function with WMF-assigned staff and substantial
budgets, based on a bureaucratic model of governance that has not worked
well for us.
*WOW interest*
There was much interest in offline wikis among other attendees, and people
who said they would reach out in the coming weeks. We might think about
running an online workshop on getting started with offline wikis, before
Wikimania. Jan Ainali interviewed me and others about our groups, for a
podcast series; I will let you know when it comes out.
— SJ