Hi
We have reached a new peak in our audience last month!
We delivered 70.000 copies of Kiwix from our Website: * 40.000 "nacked" tarballs * 30.000 bundles (with a Wikipedia ZIM file)
A few Wikipedia communities put notices and this really helped to advert Wikipedia Offline. We also received thousands of user feedbacks telling us and thanking us for helping them having an encyclopedia although they do not (always) have access to internet.
If you have ideas to help us spreading Wikipedia offline, feel free to implement them. Your help is really welcome.
Kind regards Emmanuel
On 01/01/2013 05:01 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Emmanuel Engelhart, 01/01/2013 16:58:
A few Wikipedia communities put notices and this really helped to advert Wikipedia Offline.
Nice, which ones? Is it.wiki still missing?
WPAR has a permanent "intelligent" notice using a gadget called AdvancedSiteNotice (IMO the best approach).
WPFA and WPES (still running) have had both setup a central notice during two weeks.
I have heard nothing about WPIT.
Emmanuel
Emmanuel Engelhart, 01/01/2013 17:12:
WPAR has a permanent "intelligent" notice using a gadget called AdvancedSiteNotice (IMO the best approach).
Thanks. As ar as I can see it's a JS they use to alternate five different messages some of which can be shown only to logged in users, sysop etc., but the one on Kiwix is shown to everyone. Correct? I see since early November they have about 3 thousands visit per day to their project page on Kiwix. https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A:Gadget-AdvancedSiteNotices.js&action=edit https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8:%D8%A5%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D9%85%D9%88%D9%82%D8%B9_%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86%D8%A9&action=edit https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%B3 https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8:%D8%A5%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D9%85%D9%88%D9%82%D8%B9_%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86%D8%A9/%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%A9&action=edit http://stats.grok.se/ar/201212/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%B3 I now see there's also a page about it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Case_Studies/2012_ARWP_Site_Notice
WPFA and WPES (still running) have had both setup a central notice during two weeks.
I have heard nothing about WPIT.
Ok. On it.wiki we have a rather thin section on Kiwix, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Download_di_Wikipedia#Kiwix (it links a video, can you upload it to Commons so that it can be embedded?). Where should I prepare a page to point Italian users to? Ideally it would be your main page made translatable with the Translate extension (if you install it, I can do the manual work). Otherwise we can fallback to a Meta translatable page, to a "manual" translation or to that local page. I'll then propose a sitenotice on it.wiki; if we had a translatable page we could also propose a centralnotice.
Nemo
Hi Federico
Le 01/01/2013 19:06, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
Emmanuel Engelhart, 01/01/2013 17:12:
WPAR has a permanent "intelligent" notice using a gadget called AdvancedSiteNotice (IMO the best approach).
Thanks. As ar as I can see it's a JS they use to alternate five different messages some of which can be shown only to logged in users, sysop etc., but the one on Kiwix is shown to everyone. Correct?
I don't know exactly how it's configured on WPAR, but I think this is only displayed to anonymous (not logged) users. This is certainly a good approach to not bother logged users who are mostly pretty good informed about such topics. What I find interesting with this notice system is that this is really not intrusive (only a line), each user can remove a message easily, you can specify your audience and vary your messages.
I see since early November they have about 3 thousands visit per day to their project page on Kiwix. https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A:Gadget-AdvancedSiteNotices.js&action=edit
Yes and I get ~500 visitors per day from WPAR... but IMO the WPAR "landing page" could be improved to be more convincing (that's only my opinion).
I now see there's also a page about it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Offline_Projects/Case_Studies/2012_ARWP_Site_Notice
Yes, IMO this is important on WPAR.
WPFA and WPES (still running) have had both setup a central notice during two weeks.
I have heard nothing about WPIT.
Ok. On it.wiki we have a rather thin section on Kiwix, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Download_di_Wikipedia#Kiwix (it links a video, can you upload it to Commons so that it can be embedded?).
Should I? Is that good enough? The video is now two years old? Someone motivated to make a new screencast? This would be really great... especially with the new kiwix server feature in the 0.9rc2.
Where should I prepare a page to point Italian users to? Ideally it would be your main page made translatable with the Translate extension (if you install it, I can do the manual work). Otherwise we can fallback to a Meta translatable page, to a "manual" translation or to that local page.
Great, what I propose is: * A landing page on WPIT, like on WPAR where users are redirected. On this page you can explain with a Wikipedia focus what it is, etc... You may also provide directly a link to download Kiwix or Kiwix with Wikipedia. * Would be great to propose on www.kiwix.org a welcome page in Italian (like we have in Farsi, German, French, Spanish...) at http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Main_Page/it
I'll then propose a sitenotice on it.wiki; if we had a translatable page we could also propose a centralnotice.
Would be awesome.
Let us know about your progresses Emmanuel
Emmanuel Engelhart, 03/01/2013 19:41:
I don't know exactly how it's configured on WPAR, but I think this is only displayed to anonymous (not logged) users. This is certainly a good approach to not bother logged users who are mostly pretty good informed about such topics. What I find interesting with this notice system is that this is really not intrusive (only a line), each user can remove a message easily, you can specify your audience and vary your messages.
I don't know about the specific audience part; but I'm logged in and I see it, and the rest is possible also with centralnotice and sitenotice/anonnotice.
Ok. On it.wiki we have a rather thin section on Kiwix, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Download_di_Wikipedia#Kiwix (it links a video, can you upload it to Commons so that it can be embedded?).
Should I? Is that good enough? The video is now two years old?
An old video is better than nothing I guess. If it's outdated it shouldn't be linked either, should I remove it?
Someone motivated to make a new screencast? This would be really great... especially with the new kiwix server feature in the 0.9rc2.
+1
Where should I prepare a page to point Italian users to? Ideally it would be your main page made translatable with the Translate extension (if you install it, I can do the manual work). Otherwise we can fallback to a Meta translatable page, to a "manual" translation or to that local page.
Great, what I propose is:
- A landing page on WPIT, like on WPAR where users are redirected. On
this page you can explain with a Wikipedia focus what it is, etc... You may also provide directly a link to download Kiwix or Kiwix with Wikipedia.
- Would be great to propose on www.kiwix.org a welcome page in Italian
(like we have in Farsi, German, French, Spanish...) at http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Main_Page/it
I'd prefer to maintain the (main effort for) information in Italian on kiwix.org too, if possible.
Emmanuel Engelhart, 03/01/2013 19:55:
The Kiwix Web site itself is also not good enough. This is my primary focus (in communication) to improve it.
We have newly a volunteer on Kiwix advertisement and he already has achieved a few things, I hope he will continue on this way and help us to better communicate.
Is it also possible to make the pages there translatable? As with https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Translate
With the audience of the last weeks we face another issue, a lot of people do not download the ZIM files but the bundles (Kiwix+Wikipedia) which are not mirrored at the WMF. I plan to ask the WMF to mirror also these files in a near future.
In fact I wondered about traffic, but if es.wiki didn't bring your site down I suppose traffic from it.wiki shouldn't be too much.
Nemo
Le 03/01/2013 20:16, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
Emmanuel Engelhart, 03/01/2013 19:41:
I don't know exactly how it's configured on WPAR, but I think this is only displayed to anonymous (not logged) users. This is certainly a good approach to not bother logged users who are mostly pretty good informed about such topics. What I find interesting with this notice system is that this is really not intrusive (only a line), each user can remove a message easily, you can specify your audience and vary your messages.
I don't know about the specific audience part; but I'm logged in and I see it, and the rest is possible also with centralnotice and sitenotice/anonnotice.
Ok. On it.wiki we have a rather thin section on Kiwix, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiuto:Download_di_Wikipedia#Kiwix (it links a video, can you upload it to Commons so that it can be embedded?).
Should I? Is that good enough? The video is now two years old?
An old video is better than nothing I guess. If it's outdated it shouldn't be linked either, should I remove it?
I prefer the actual statu quo. I have asked Asaf for help, hope someone at the WMF with some skills in video will be willing investing a few hours to make a new screencast.
Someone motivated to make a new screencast? This would be really great... especially with the new kiwix server feature in the 0.9rc2.
+1
Where should I prepare a page to point Italian users to? Ideally it would be your main page made translatable with the Translate extension (if you install it, I can do the manual work). Otherwise we can fallback to a Meta translatable page, to a "manual" translation or to that local page.
Great, what I propose is:
- A landing page on WPIT, like on WPAR where users are redirected. On
this page you can explain with a Wikipedia focus what it is, etc... You may also provide directly a link to download Kiwix or Kiwix with Wikipedia.
- Would be great to propose on www.kiwix.org a welcome page in Italian
(like we have in Farsi, German, French, Spanish...) at http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Main_Page/it
I'd prefer to maintain the (main effort for) information in Italian on kiwix.org too, if possible.
OK
Emmanuel Engelhart, 03/01/2013 19:55:
The Kiwix Web site itself is also not good enough. This is my primary focus (in communication) to improve it.
We have newly a volunteer on Kiwix advertisement and he already has achieved a few things, I hope he will continue on this way and help us to better communicate.
Is it also possible to make the pages there translatable? As with https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Translate
Feel free. I don't know this tool. Usually people simply copy, adapt and translate the presentation text in English - straight forward.
With the audience of the last weeks we face another issue, a lot of people do not download the ZIM files but the bundles (Kiwix+Wikipedia) which are not mirrored at the WMF. I plan to ask the WMF to mirror also these files in a near future.
In fact I wondered about traffic, but if es.wiki didn't bring your site down I suppose traffic from it.wiki shouldn't be too much.
We have had yesterday 35.000 visitors, and if the site didn't go down, it was pretty slow.
Emmanuel
On 01/01/2013 07:58 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote:
If you have ideas to help us spreading Wikipedia offline, feel free to implement them. Your help is really welcome.
fwiw I just claimed https://www.ohloh.net/p/Kiwix under the Wikimedia org umbrella: https://www.ohloh.net/orgs/wikimedia
A mention of Kiwix at mediawiki.org would help as well. For instance, someone looking for "offline" would not find anything at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Offline
Even looking specifically for "Kiwix" returns only one meaningful result, which is an empty shell without any link to your site: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Kiwix_UX_study
PS: just curious, have you considered moving your repository to the Wikimedia infrastructure?
Le 02/01/2013 20:01, Quim Gil a écrit :
On 01/01/2013 07:58 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote:
If you have ideas to help us spreading Wikipedia offline, feel free to implement them. Your help is really welcome.
fwiw I just claimed https://www.ohloh.net/p/Kiwix under the Wikimedia org umbrella: https://www.ohloh.net/orgs/wikimedia
Thank you Quim.
A mention of Kiwix at mediawiki.org would help as well. For instance, someone looking for "offline" would not find anything at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Offline
Even looking specifically for "Kiwix" returns only one meaningful result, which is an empty shell without any link to your site: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Kiwix_UX_study
Yes, this is bad. Federico created an entry here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Kiwix. Jessie also started last year the creation of an ecosystem of pages on Meta to organise the offline related work, but this is now "abandoned".
The Kiwix Web site itself is also not good enough. This is my primary focus (in communication) to improve it.
We have newly a volunteer on Kiwix advertisement and he already has achieved a few things, I hope he will continue on this way and help us to better communicate.
PS: just curious, have you considered moving your repository to the Wikimedia infrastructure?
The WMF is already an essential part of our infrastructure and hosts the main mirror of the ZIM files http://dataset2.wikimedia.org/kiwix/zim/0.9/. This works perfectly.
With the audience of the last weeks we face another issue, a lot of people do not download the ZIM files but the bundles (Kiwix+Wikipedia) which are not mirrored at the WMF. I plan to ask the WMF to mirror also these files in a near future.
Kind regards Emmanuel
On 01/03/2013 07:55 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote:
PS: just curious, have you considered moving your repository to the Wikimedia infrastructure?
actually I have the plan to move both the subversion repository as well as the wiki contents to WMF servers. The wiki contents were supposed to go to mediawiki.org.
Since this requires help from several staff members of the WMF and it took a lot of pushing to just a few small things achieved I ran out of my personal time and abondaned the idea for half a year now. What we could achieve in this time was the merger of the dev-l@openzim.org mailinglist with this offline-l@lists.wikimedia.org. The subversion merger has been postponed by WMF folks because of the ongoing migration of their subversion repository to Git.
As I have no sponsor for the openZIM server anymore and used it for some other project Emmanuel thankfully moved the contents to his server.
At some point I would like to take another try to get the stuff moved, then with Emmanuel's help as he obviously needs to be involved as the current host.
/Manuel