Hello everyone,
as you probably all know OpenStreetMap has been in the process of changing its license for a while. Well, as of two days ago the process was finally completed and the source data from OpenStreetMap.org is now licensed under the OBbL 1.0 [1].
For the moment the data in the osm_mapnik database on the toolserver is still CC-BY-SA as the replication was suspend at the time of the license change. However, in order to enable updates again, we have to transition over to ODbL as well.
For legal reasons, the recommended (by the OSMF) transition strategy is to drop any existing databases and re-import them fresh from the newly release planet file now licensed under ODbL. To be able to enable updates again, I would like to do that fairly soon.
Apart from that, the attribution string needs to be slightly changed for all projects that are using the OpenStreetMap data, once the re-import has completed.
With respect to tile licensing, I suggest we follow the example of osm's tileserver. While the underlying data is licensed ODbL, the rendered tiles would be licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0
Could everyone who uses the OSM database on toolserver therefore please check if there are any issues with transitioning to ODbL and prepare for the change of attribution?
Given that the OpenStreetMap is used in Wikipedia through the OSM-gadget, WMA and WIWOSM, does the wikimedia legal team have any suggestions or objections to the change?
I'll keep you posted.
Kai
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Kai Krueger kakrueger@gmail.com wrote:
With respect to tile licensing, I suggest we follow the example of osm's tileserver. While the underlying data is licensed ODbL, the rendered tiles would be licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0
Any reason why we can't license the tiles under CC-BY-SA 3.0, same as with most of the rest of Wikimedia?
I had in mind that the OSM default style file is published under CC0 and not CC-BY-SA[1]. If this is correct we should this license.
For the OSM-Gadget and WIWOSM it should be a small effort to change the attribution.
For three layers we have in OSM-Gadget 3 attributions and limited space, Parts of the attribution are translated by translate wiki. Our attributions are in the moment: "Map by OpenStreetMap (CC-BY-SA), Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
I would change it to "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors: license, Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
As mention here[2]. Would this be correct?
To make the right attribution easier, it would be nice if osm.org would have the attribution on the map like it want have it on external maps, because else I believe the ODBL-documentation in the OSM-Wiki is very complex and confusing.
Greetings Kolossos
[1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Licence-of-the-Mapnik-style-td5629768.html#a5...
[2] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Mapnik-attribution-td5724875.h...
Am 15.09.2012 01:36, schrieb Kai Krueger:
Hello everyone,
as you probably all know OpenStreetMap has been in the process of changing its license for a while. Well, as of two days ago the process was finally completed and the source data from OpenStreetMap.org is now licensed under the OBbL 1.0 [1].
For the moment the data in the osm_mapnik database on the toolserver is still CC-BY-SA as the replication was suspend at the time of the license change. However, in order to enable updates again, we have to transition over to ODbL as well.
For legal reasons, the recommended (by the OSMF) transition strategy is to drop any existing databases and re-import them fresh from the newly release planet file now licensed under ODbL. To be able to enable updates again, I would like to do that fairly soon.
Apart from that, the attribution string needs to be slightly changed for all projects that are using the OpenStreetMap data, once the re-import has completed.
With respect to tile licensing, I suggest we follow the example of osm's tileserver. While the underlying data is licensed ODbL, the rendered tiles would be licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0
Could everyone who uses the OSM database on toolserver therefore please check if there are any issues with transitioning to ODbL and prepare for the change of attribution?
Given that the OpenStreetMap is used in Wikipedia through the OSM-gadget, WMA and WIWOSM, does the wikimedia legal team have any suggestions or objections to the change?
I'll keep you posted.
Kai
[1] http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/
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Hi there, I for one am very confused about the new license.
Does it allow the usage that wikipedia has, does anyone understand the new license? can someone take the time and explain it to me or point me to docs? thanks, mike
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tim Alder tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
I had in mind that the OSM default style file is published under CC0 and not CC-BY-SA[1]. If this is correct we should this license.
For the OSM-Gadget and WIWOSM it should be a small effort to change the attribution.
For three layers we have in OSM-Gadget 3 attributions and limited space, Parts of the attribution are translated by translate wiki. Our attributions are in the moment: "Map by OpenStreetMap (CC-BY-SA), Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
I would change it to "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors: license, Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
As mention here[2]. Would this be correct?
To make the right attribution easier, it would be nice if osm.org would have the attribution on the map like it want have it on external maps, because else I believe the ODBL-documentation in the OSM-Wiki is very complex and confusing.
Greetings Kolossos
[1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Licence-of-the-Mapnik-style-td5629768.html#a5...
[2] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Mapnik-attribution-td5724875.h...
Am 15.09.2012 01:36, schrieb Kai Krueger:
Hello everyone,
as you probably all know OpenStreetMap has been in the process of changing its license for a while. Well, as of two days ago the process was finally completed and the source data from OpenStreetMap.org is now licensed under the OBbL 1.0 [1].
For the moment the data in the osm_mapnik database on the toolserver is still CC-BY-SA as the replication was suspend at the time of the license change. However, in order to enable updates again, we have to transition over to ODbL as well.
For legal reasons, the recommended (by the OSMF) transition strategy is to drop any existing databases and re-import them fresh from the newly release planet file now licensed under ODbL. To be able to enable updates again, I would like to do that fairly soon.
Apart from that, the attribution string needs to be slightly changed for all projects that are using the OpenStreetMap data, once the re-import has completed.
With respect to tile licensing, I suggest we follow the example of osm's tileserver. While the underlying data is licensed ODbL, the rendered tiles would be licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0
Could everyone who uses the OSM database on toolserver therefore please check if there are any issues with transitioning to ODbL and prepare for the change of attribution?
Given that the OpenStreetMap is used in Wikipedia through the OSM-gadget, WMA and WIWOSM, does the wikimedia legal team have any suggestions or objections to the change?
I'll keep you posted.
Kai
[1] http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/
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On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Tim Alder tim.alder@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
I had in mind that the OSM default style file is published under CC0 and not CC-BY-SA[1]. If this is correct we should this license.
For the OSM-Gadget and WIWOSM it should be a small effort to change the attribution.
For three layers we have in OSM-Gadget 3 attributions and limited space, Parts of the attribution are translated by translate wiki. Our attributions are in the moment: "Map by OpenStreetMap (CC-BY-SA), Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
I would change it to "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors: license, Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
As mention here[2]. Would this be correct?
Unfortunately I can't tell you if that is correct, as I am not a lawyer, and I also find the documentation somewhat confusing. I was hoping osmf could put out some specific examples of attribution, but so far haven't seen any.
But the above wording would correspond to how I would interpret the legal FAQ. So unless we can get some advise from the wikimedia legal team, I would suggest to just use that wording and should OSMF complain be prepared to change it.
With respect to the license of tiles: This has been a somewhat controversial debate what licenses "produced works" can actually be under. Particularly can it be under CC-0. My understand would be it can't as the ODbL requires the produced work to contain a notice that it is produced from data under the ODbL. So I think, an attribution license, like CC BY is the minimum the produced work can be under.
I am not sure if the license the style sheet is under plays any role in what the tiles are licensed at. I think it can be anything, as has been the case while data and tiles were CC BY-SA.
But I am not a lawyer, so I don't really know.
Kai
P.S. Otherwise, it sounds like no objections to re-importing. So as soon as I can free enough space on the partition, I will begin the new import. But it will likely be another couple of days (or more) before it is complete.
To make the right attribution easier, it would be nice if osm.org would have the attribution on the map like it want have it on external maps, because else I believe the ODBL-documentation in the OSM-Wiki is very complex and confusing.
Greetings Kolossos
[1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Licence-of-the-Mapnik-style-td5629768.html#a5...
[2] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Mapnik-attribution-td5724875.h...
Am 15.09.2012 01:36, schrieb Kai Krueger:
Hello everyone,
as you probably all know OpenStreetMap has been in the process of changing its license for a while. Well, as of two days ago the process was finally completed and the source data from OpenStreetMap.org is now licensed under the OBbL 1.0 [1].
For the moment the data in the osm_mapnik database on the toolserver is still CC-BY-SA as the replication was suspend at the time of the license change. However, in order to enable updates again, we have to transition over to ODbL as well.
For legal reasons, the recommended (by the OSMF) transition strategy is to drop any existing databases and re-import them fresh from the newly release planet file now licensed under ODbL. To be able to enable updates again, I would like to do that fairly soon.
Apart from that, the attribution string needs to be slightly changed for all projects that are using the OpenStreetMap data, once the re-import has completed.
With respect to tile licensing, I suggest we follow the example of osm's tileserver. While the underlying data is licensed ODbL, the rendered tiles would be licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0
Could everyone who uses the OSM database on toolserver therefore please check if there are any issues with transitioning to ODbL and prepare for the change of attribution?
Given that the OpenStreetMap is used in Wikipedia through the OSM-gadget, WMA and WIWOSM, does the wikimedia legal team have any suggestions or objections to the change?
I'll keep you posted.
Kai
[1] http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/
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Hello,
The import of the new ODbL licensed OSM data on the toolserver is now more or less complete. Currently it is still in a separate set of tables (planet_import_{node,way,rels,...}) but I intend to switch the tables over to the default ones by tomorrow.
After that all OpenStreetMap data and any derivatives on the toolserver will be licensed ODbL. If you are using the data, please check that your use is in compliance with the new license and remember to update the attribution as appropriate.
After the OSM replicated DB having been somewhat problematic over the recent weeks on toolserver, things will hopefully now run more smoothly again and remain up-to-date to about 15 minutes of the main OSM database.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience.
Kai
On 09/15/2012 12:13 AM, Tim Alder wrote:
I had in mind that the OSM default style file is published under CC0 and not CC-BY-SA[1]. If this is correct we should this license.
For the OSM-Gadget and WIWOSM it should be a small effort to change the attribution.
For three layers we have in OSM-Gadget 3 attributions and limited space, Parts of the attribution are translated by translate wiki. Our attributions are in the moment: "Map by OpenStreetMap (CC-BY-SA), Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
I would change it to "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors: license, Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
As mention here[2]. Would this be correct?
To make the right attribution easier, it would be nice if osm.org would have the attribution on the map like it want have it on external maps, because else I believe the ODBL-documentation in the OSM-Wiki is very complex and confusing.
Greetings Kolossos
[1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Licence-of-the-Mapnik-style-td5629768.html#a5...
[2] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Mapnik-attribution-td5724875.h...
Am 15.09.2012 01:36, schrieb Kai Krueger:
Hello everyone,
as you probably all know OpenStreetMap has been in the process of changing its license for a while. Well, as of two days ago the process was finally completed and the source data from OpenStreetMap.org is now licensed under the OBbL 1.0 [1].
For the moment the data in the osm_mapnik database on the toolserver is still CC-BY-SA as the replication was suspend at the time of the license change. However, in order to enable updates again, we have to transition over to ODbL as well.
For legal reasons, the recommended (by the OSMF) transition strategy is to drop any existing databases and re-import them fresh from the newly release planet file now licensed under ODbL. To be able to enable updates again, I would like to do that fairly soon.
Apart from that, the attribution string needs to be slightly changed for all projects that are using the OpenStreetMap data, once the re-import has completed.
With respect to tile licensing, I suggest we follow the example of osm's tileserver. While the underlying data is licensed ODbL, the rendered tiles would be licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0
Could everyone who uses the OSM database on toolserver therefore please check if there are any issues with transitioning to ODbL and prepare for the change of attribution?
Given that the OpenStreetMap is used in Wikipedia through the OSM-gadget, WMA and WIWOSM, does the wikimedia legal team have any suggestions or objections to the change?
I'll keep you posted.
Kai
[1] http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/
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Hello,
I have now switched over the osm_mapnik database on the toolserver to be ODbL licensed, so please now update your attribution if you are using this data.
Apart from the legal differences, everything should technically continue to work exactly as before, but if anyone notices any issues, please let me know.
Thank you,
Kai
On 09/26/2012 09:24 PM, Kai Krueger wrote:
Hello,
The import of the new ODbL licensed OSM data on the toolserver is now more or less complete. Currently it is still in a separate set of tables (planet_import_{node,way,rels,...}) but I intend to switch the tables over to the default ones by tomorrow.
After that all OpenStreetMap data and any derivatives on the toolserver will be licensed ODbL. If you are using the data, please check that your use is in compliance with the new license and remember to update the attribution as appropriate.
After the OSM replicated DB having been somewhat problematic over the recent weeks on toolserver, things will hopefully now run more smoothly again and remain up-to-date to about 15 minutes of the main OSM database.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience.
Kai
On 09/15/2012 12:13 AM, Tim Alder wrote:
I had in mind that the OSM default style file is published under CC0 and not CC-BY-SA[1]. If this is correct we should this license.
For the OSM-Gadget and WIWOSM it should be a small effort to change the attribution.
For three layers we have in OSM-Gadget 3 attributions and limited space, Parts of the attribution are translated by translate wiki. Our attributions are in the moment: "Map by OpenStreetMap (CC-BY-SA), Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
I would change it to "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors: license, Wikipedia (CC-BY-SA), WIWOSM"
As mention here[2]. Would this be correct?
To make the right attribution easier, it would be nice if osm.org would have the attribution on the map like it want have it on external maps, because else I believe the ODBL-documentation in the OSM-Wiki is very complex and confusing.
Greetings Kolossos
[1] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Licence-of-the-Mapnik-style-td5629768.html#a5...
[2] http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Mapnik-attribution-td5724875.h...
Am 15.09.2012 01:36, schrieb Kai Krueger:
Hello everyone,
as you probably all know OpenStreetMap has been in the process of changing its license for a while. Well, as of two days ago the process was finally completed and the source data from OpenStreetMap.org is now licensed under the OBbL 1.0 [1].
For the moment the data in the osm_mapnik database on the toolserver is still CC-BY-SA as the replication was suspend at the time of the license change. However, in order to enable updates again, we have to transition over to ODbL as well.
For legal reasons, the recommended (by the OSMF) transition strategy is to drop any existing databases and re-import them fresh from the newly release planet file now licensed under ODbL. To be able to enable updates again, I would like to do that fairly soon.
Apart from that, the attribution string needs to be slightly changed for all projects that are using the OpenStreetMap data, once the re-import has completed.
With respect to tile licensing, I suggest we follow the example of osm's tileserver. While the underlying data is licensed ODbL, the rendered tiles would be licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0
Could everyone who uses the OSM database on toolserver therefore please check if there are any issues with transitioning to ODbL and prepare for the change of attribution?
Given that the OpenStreetMap is used in Wikipedia through the OSM-gadget, WMA and WIWOSM, does the wikimedia legal team have any suggestions or objections to the change?
I'll keep you posted.
Kai
[1] http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/1.0/
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