Hi!
I am forwarding a discussion that I started with the people from Europeana on the metadata templates for maps. I would like to get your opinions about what should we cater for in the maps metadata template.
I am repeating Dan's points:
1. which metadata attributes would need to be stored?
2. is there a mediawiki template on commons that currently handles those metadata attributes? a. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Geocoding
b. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Location
c. if not, how do we introduce a new template?
3. do we bring this additional functionality into current scope or later? a. what type of ui would be needed to add in the functionality?
Tim might have good arguments based on how he has handled metadata in a partnership with a maps GLAM in the MapWarper? Why should some information be omitted? Should the community decide or should we take standards into account? Which ones?
Cheers, Susanna
2013/5/30 Tuszynski, Jaroslaw W. JAROSLAW.W.TUSZYNSKI@saic.com
Hi all,****
A standard, way of geolocating maps involves use of subpages with KML code. See for example http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dayton,_Indiana_1878.png and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dayton,_Indiana_1878.png/overlay.kml. There was not a whole lot of people creating those KML’s and the software often does not like the subpages of files, but the infrastructure is there ready to use. If there was more interest in using them we could discuss some improvements to the system. We could also streamline kml production based on available data. Most current files are created using North/South/East/West edges and possible rotation. It might be more convenient to use coordinates of 4 corners, which is a format also supported by KML. ****
Another possibility would be to use Template:GeoPolygon, or both. ****
Are there any other fields specific to maps that are not template:Artwork? We could always upload a few sample images by hand (or pick existing ones) and ask community for help on formatting metadata, which would be than used as a template (using non Wikipedia meaning of the word) for the other uploads. That way we can easily see what are the possible improvements to Commons templates (using Wikipedia meaning of the word).****
We could also create a specialized template for maps, which could be just extension of Artwork template. But it would be the best to avoid that if not necessary. Rarely used templates tend to get little attention and maintenance. ****
Jarek T.****
User:jarekt****
*From:* Maarten Dammers [mailto:maarten@mdammers.nl] *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:20 PM *To:* Susanna Ånäs *Cc:* David Haskiya; dan entous; Valentine Charles; Tuszynski, Jaroslaw W.
*Subject:* Re: About the template for maps****
Hi David and Susanna,
Like what I said on the hackathon: I generally like to get improve existing template instead of forking them. The whole location metadata is something you need to keep separate anyway, it would be a mess to try to fit that in the same template. I think in the long run this data needs to end up at Wikidata.
Maarten
Ps. Put Jarek on the cc.
Op 29-5-2013 20:08, Susanna Ånäs schreef:****
Hi all, ****
I am willing to gather more information from especially our map curator, plus perhaps our contact in the Land Survey regarding the simplest form of adequate metadata for maps. With Tim Alder we discussed that we do need at least the bounding box for the map, if it's available, though only after the map has a location. Realizing also that none of the existing templates for location only are perfect for our purpose.****
Please include relevant people in the discussion!****
Cheers,****
Susanna****
2013/5/29 David Haskiya David.Haskiya@kb.nl****
Hi Susanna, We gave up on trying to change/extend the default Artwork template (or any other template) as the community indicated that would not be a welcome or easy thing to do. So we use the default Book, Photo, Artwork and Species templates. Our contact was http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jarektwho is knowledgeable, friendly and constructive. I think we the more insider position you and Maarten have it should be possible to get support for a new template - I don't understand Wikimedia Common dynamics very well though. De-facto it looks like Artwork is the template used for historical maps.
If you and Maarten as part of your project create a specific Map template or a specific Artwork-Map template then adding it to our tool as a target template should be simple (unless it deviates strongly from the existing templates).
Cheers, David
Product Developer www.europeana.eu
Phone: +31 (0)70 3140 696 Mobile: +31 (0)64 217 2542 Email: david.haskiya@kb.nl Skype: davidhaskiya****
-----Original Message----- From: dan entous [mailto:d_entous@yahoo.com] Sent: woensdag 29 mei 2013 13:29 To: Susanna Ånäs Cc: David Haskiya; Valentine Charles Subject: Re: About the template for maps
hi susanna,
i'm including david haskiya and valentine charles in this response so
they
can also see your request and answer your questions as well.
artwork template
valentine had direct contact with someone involved with the artwork template. i don't know if she kept notes or email threads regarding the discussion. hopefully she or david can give you feedback in that regard.
adding map metadata
i'm sure we could sort something out in the tool that would allow you to add map metadata. at first glance, the following points would have to be decided :
which metadata attributes would need to be stored?
is there a mediawiki template on commons that currently handles those
metadata attributes? a. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Geocoding b. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Location c. if not, how do we introduce a new template? - maarten dammers might know this process best
- do we bring this additional functionality into current scope or later? a. what type of ui would be needed to add in the functionality?
with kind regards, dan
sent from my mind to yours
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On May 28, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Susanna Ånäs wrote:
Hi Dan,
In regard to the templete topic we discussed, I could ask some
additional questions.
It was Maarten Dammers' opinion that the Artwork template
(http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Artwork) is extensive enough to be able to handle maps. The template does not include a possibility of including information about a geographical bounding box. The idea Maarten proposed was to use another template for geodata in addition to the Artwork template. Now the tool does not support this.
I also learned that you had discussed about extending the Artwork
template in order to accommodate better to existing standards. Do you think you could find a way for me to follow that discussion?
My specific goal is nevertheless to have a possibility in the GLAM-Wiki
tool to have a template (structure) that meets the needs of map GLAMs, that it is enough standards compliant for that, and that it includes all necessary fields. When I discussed the metadata with the Antti Rainio
from
the Land Survey in Finland, he stated that the need of the INSPIRE are
too
complicated and a more flexible structure would be better, based on
Dublin
Core for example.
Hope to continue discussion.
Cheers, Susanna
I have now been able to register in the tool :)
2013/4/25 dan entous d_entous@yahoo.com hi susanna,
i just added you to the wiki. you should get an e-mail with a temporary
password. thereafter you should be able to test out the tool. just as a reminder, the tool may change very now and then as we're still in development, but you should be able to test it out in any case.
with kind regards, dan
sent from my mind to yours
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On Apr 25, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Susanna Ånäs wrote:
Hi,
I would like to request for access to test the tools.
Susanna Ånäs User: Susannaanas
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