Hi, just a quick question: what is going to happen to the old instance
of Mailman? Will it be deleted?
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Hey folks!
For a while I've been pointed as administrator of the digitization mailing
list:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/digitization.lists.wikimedia.or…
I've never performed any administrative actions over this list, I lost the
pwd, etc., basically I don't want to be an administrator of that list.
Could someone with super administrative powers remove me from being an
admin there?
Thanks,
scann
Hello,
TLDR: Mailman3 is now available for general use, all mailing lists will be
migrated in the next couple of weeks, providing everyone with a much better
mailing list experience. You will notice some changes, let us know if you
run into issues.
Long version:
We're happy to announce that Mailman3 is available for general use and some
have already been migrated. You can find the current mailing lists that
have been migrated at [1] and their archives in "hyperkitty"[2].
Mailman3 is a full rewrite of our previous mailing list software
(Mailman2), and the migration is long overdue. Some key new features that
we want to highlight:
* One user account (no more monthly password reminder emails or list
passwords)
* Ability to search through archives
* Posting through a web interface
* A web interface that doesn't look like its from the early 2000s
* Better security of accounts and messages
The first mailing list migrated was LGBT@ and you can see its mailing list
page in [3]. We are going to slowly migrate the rest of mailing lists (all
+700 of them), you can track the work in [4]. All new mailing lists from
now on will be only on Mailman3.
This means:
* We will send an email to admins of any mailing list right before
starting the upgrade process, and once it's finished.
* The link to subscribe to lists will change, please update your wiki
pages, documentation, etc. We will provide redirects though.
* Links to old archives for public mailing lists won't break. It will
stay at it is now and will become redirects shortly. But URLs of archived
emails of private mailing lists will break. This is necessary for improving
security of mailing lists. Keep it in mind that in the new system you can
easily search in the archives.
Given that in Mailman3, you can simply have one central account for all of
your mailing lists. We highly encourage you to make one [1], that way, you
can easily control what mailing lists you are subscribed to, easily join
new mailing lists and much more. This also makes administrating and
moderating mailing lists much easier.
If you have any questions or you encounter any issues, let us know! You can
create a Phabricator ticket ("Wikimedia-Mailing-lists" project) or ping us
on IRC in #wikimedia-tech.
We hope that Mailman3 brings much needed love to our mailing lists without
breaking your workflows (like reading mails by piping telnet into less or
something like that).
The umbrella ticket for the work: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864
[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/
[2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/
[3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/lgbt.lists.wikimedia.org/
[4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280322
Best,
Kunal (Legoktm) and Amir (Ladsgroup)
Dear Wikimedia mailing list admins,
As you may have heard, we will be upgrading the mailing list software to
Mailman 3, which is a full rewrite, fixing lots of long standing issues,
especially around security. A short list of improvements:
* One user account (no more monthly password reminder emails or list
passwords)
* Ability to search through archives
* Posting through a web interface
* A web interface that doesn't look like its from the early 2000s
For the most part, if you just send and receive mail from the list,
nothing dramatic will change.
A test installation is available at <https://lists-next.wikimedia.org/>
if you'd like to take a look now (all data will eventually be deleted).
We can import your list into the test system so you can look around the
new interfaces, make sure settings were migrated correctly and archives
display correctly.
We're still finalizing the exact dates, but we may start migrating
mailing lists starting next week. They'll be migrated in batches,
starting with lists with no archives, and then going by size of archive
and # of subscribers. Expect very big/old lists (wikimedia-l,
wikitech-l, etc.) to go last. We plan to send a notification to the list
admins when we start migrating the list and once it's finished.
We will need help from list admins to make this go smoothly.
* If your list is obsolete or should be archived, please add
"[OBSOLETE]" or "[ARCHIVED]" to the list description and we'll take care
of the rest.
* Please update your list description to indicate who the list admins
are (either usernames, email addresses, etc.)
* If you'd like to volunteer your list to go early, let us know.
* On the other hand, if you think your list needs special handling and
should go later, let us know as well.
* It is our intention to have all mailing lists be publicly listed,
please let us know if you have a reason that the existence of your list
should be kept private.
* If you've lost track of all the lists you're responsible for, we can
look it up for you :)
* The canonical URL of your mailing list will change. If you link to
your mailing list in help pages, templates, etc. You should update it
after migration. For example
<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l> will change to
<https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/>
(we expect to provide redirects).
* For public archives, we will ensure that archive links will not break.
For private lists, we do not intend to support old archive URLs - if
this is a big issue for you, please let us know.
There's probably stuff we missed to mention, if you have questions,
concerns, comments, please let us know on this list or #wikimedia-tech
on IRC.
For tracking the work see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280322
Thanks,
Amir (Ladsgroup) and Kunal (Legoktm)
Hello
I may have missed something entirely but... I am facing this issue
I admin the wikilovesafrica mailing list. And the archives do not
display 2021 : https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikilovesafrica/
Why would that be ?
Thanks
Anthere
Hi.
What does the message quoted in the subject, mentioning a particular
subscriber address, mean? It appears to report that member being
unsubscribed *by a command-line utility*, rather than via the user's own
wish given through Web/email.
If my understanding is correct, who would initiate such an action on a list
I admin, and why?
Thanks,
A.
Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
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Hello,
On Tuesday 8/11/2020 at 16:00-17:00 UTC I plan to migrate the lists.wikimedia.org mailman service from fermium (Debian Jessie) to lists1001 (Debian Buster).
No major downtime is expected. However, delivery of messages received during this window may be delayed until after the maintenance is complete.
The mailman major version will stay the same during this maintenance. This is an upgrade of the underlying OS.
Please feel free to reach out with any concerns or questions (with the exception of mailman 3 related discussion, please direct that to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864)
Best,
—Keith
Keith Herron
Site Reliability Engineering | Wikimedia Foundation
Hey,
Mailman, the software that powers our mailing lists, is extremely old, by
looking at https://lists.wikimedia.org/ you can guess how old it is.
I would really like to upgrade it to mailman 3 which has these benefits:
* Much better security (including but not limited to
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181803)
* Much better UI and UX
* Much easier moderation and maintaining mailing lists
* Ability to send mail from the web
* Ability to search in archives.
* Ability to like/dislike an email
* List admins will be able to delete emails, merge threads, and much more.
* Admins won't need to store passwords for each mailing list separately,
they just login as their account everywhere.
* The current mailman stores everything as files (even mailing list
settings), mailman3 actually uses a proper database for everything meaning
proper backup and recovery, high availability and much more.
I have already put up a test setup and humbly ask you (specially list
admins) to test it (and its admin interface), if you want to become a list
admin, drop me a message. Keep in mind that we don't maintain the software
so the most I can do is to change configuration and can't handle a feature
request or solve a bug (you are more than welcome to file it against
upstream though)
Here's the test setup:
* https://lists.wmcloud.org
Here's a mailing list:
* https://lists.wmcloud.org/postorius/lists/test.lists.wmcloud.org/
Here's an archive post:
*
https://lists.wmcloud.org/hyperkitty/list/test@lists.wmcloud.org/thread/RMQ…
Issues that I haven't figured out yet:
* This system has profile picture support but it's only gravatar which we
can't enable due to our privacy policy but when you disable it, it shows
empty squares and looks bad. Reported upstream [1] but also we can have a
gravatar proxy in production. And in the worst case scenario we can just
inject "$('.gravatar').remove();" and remove them. Feel free to chime in in
the phabricator ticket in this regard:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256541
* Upgrade will break archive links, making it work forever is not trivial
(you need write apache rewrite rule) (You can read about it in
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html#other-considerations)
* Mailman allows us to upgrade mailing list by mailing list, that's good
but we haven't found a way to keep the old version and the new ones in sync
(archives, etc.). Maybe we migrate a mailing list and the archives for the
old version will stop getting updated. Would that work for you? Feel free
to chime in: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256539
* We don't know what would be the size of the database after upgrade
because these two versions are so inherently different, one idea was to
check the size of a fully public mailing list, then move the files to the
test setup, upgrade it to the new version and check how it changes, then
extrapolate the size of the final database. The discussion around the
database is happening in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T256538
If you want to help in the upgrade (like puppetzining its configuration,
etc.) just let me know and I add you to the project! It uses a stand-alone
puppetmaster so you don't need to get your puppet patches merged to see its
effects.
The main ticket about the upgrade: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864
[1] https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/303#note_365162201
Hope that'll be useful for you :)
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De: Eric Luth <eric.luth(a)wikimedia.se<mailto:eric.luth@wikimedia.se>>
Date: lun., 27 ene. 2020 a las 3:39
Subject: WikiGap 2020
To: JUAN SEBASTIAN QUINTERO SANTACRUZ <juan.quintero.santacruz(a)correounivalle.edu.co<mailto:juan.quintero.santacruz@correounivalle.edu.co>>
Hi Juan,
Now we have started the preparations for WikiGap 2020<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap>! This is the third year in a row that this campaign is organized. You receive this email because you have taken part previous years, and we would be very happy to have you on board again!
WikiGap is, as you probably know, an initiative aiming to close the gender gap of Wikipedia. It is a cooperation between Wikimedia Sverige, the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Swedish embassies and Wikimedia affiliates and volunteers around the world. It was first organized in March 2018 and now we would like to do it for the third time! We are planning to organize several Wikipedia edit-a-thons around 8 March 2020. The purpose of the edit-a-thons is to create more articles about women, as a way of building a more gender-equal Internet and a more gender-equal world (a manual can be found here<http://www.swemfa.se/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/manual-2019.pdf>).
If you have already decided upon a date and started the preparations, please fill in the Events<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap/2020/Events> list at Meta. In that way, we know if you are planning an event and can reach out to you with more information. If you still have contact with the Swedish embassy, feel free to reach out to them as well! If you don’t, we can make sure to get the right contact details for you. In that case, reach out to us and we will help you.
If you don’t think that you will be the main organizer of WikiGap in your country or if you are a part of a larger team, I, as part of coordinating the WikiGap, would like you to please help share this information with the right individuals.
Join WikiGap on Programs & Events Dashboard to show impact
During 2018 and 2019 we had a WikiGap campaign up on Programs & Events Dashboard to facilitate running and keeping track of all the events on various language versions. Of course we are going to create a new one this year and we will return with more information about this soon.
Choice of date(s)
The 8 March is just the starting point of the campaign. If the embassy and you identifies a better date to cooperate and implement a WikiGap event during 2020 then that also works. In Sweden, we will most likely organize the event on 6 March, as 8 March is a Sunday this year.
Remember also that it doesn’t need to be a one off event: if you are interested, explore with the Swedish embassy the possibilities of organizing a series of events around gender and diversity gaps! The gender gap does unfortunately not end just because the International Women’s day does so.
WikiGap Challenge and Photo Exhibition
As last year, we will also initiate a WikiGap Challenge, encouraging article creation on women throughout the Spring. Last year, the winner Andriy Hrytsenko<https://si.se/en/wikigap-has-brought-us-27-000-articles-closer-to-a-gender-…> got a Wikimania scholarship as reward. The challenge will be online and coordinated on Meta, as last year<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap_Challenge>.
For the first time this year, we will also produce a photo exhibition, in digital and physical form, to highlight several of the great articles that have been written. Reach out to us if you have interest in hosting it! Our preliminary idea is to produce it with A4 photos to print and text in two languages, the original and English, besides.
Best,
Eric Luth
Project Manager, Wikimedia Sverige
eric.luth(a)wikimedia.se<mailto:eric.luth@wikimedia.se>
+46 (0) 765 55 50 95
Stöd fri kunskap, bli medlem i Wikimedia Sverige.
Läs mer på blimedlem.wikimedia.se<http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se/>
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Hi, I have just published a proposal to start testing mailing list
mirroring and emulation at the Discourse instance we have at Wikimedia
Space.
If you are interested in discussing and exploring potential post-Mailman
scenarios, join in.
Check the proposal at
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/testing-the-path-from-mailing-lists-to-….
Feedback is welcome there or here. :)
If you want to propose a mailing list to mirror or you are personally
interested in testing mailing list emulation, let's talk.
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