My subscription of one the mailing lists I'm subscribed to was disabled due to a bounce score. Afaics I was the only one. But there is nothing wrong with my email, and this was also the only mailing list I got this message. Right now I enabled it again, but two questions:
* Are the bounce settings perhaps not correct? Right now it is: bounce score treshold = 20, bounce info stale after = 7d, bounce disabled warnings interval = 7d, bounce disable warnings = 3
* In the previous version of mailman I could easily see a long list of all subscriptions and which email was enabled/not enabled etc. In this new version I don't see this. Is there a way to make this visible or is this simply not possible?
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Verzonden: maandag 31 mei 2021 02:13
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Onderwerp: Trijnstel <trijnstel(a)hotmail.com>'s subscription disabled on CheckUser-l
Trijnstel <trijnstel(a)hotmail.com>'s subscription has been disabled on checkuser-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org due to their bounce score
exceeding the mailing list's bounce_score_threshold.
I keep receiving this message along with the correct message about mails on
hold. I suppose it's some kind of bug?
Date: sábado, 29/05/2021 à(s) 09:21
Subject: 13 Unblock-pt-l moderator request(s) waiting
The Unblock-pt-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org mailing list has 13 request(s)
waiting for your consideration at:
Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of
pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.
(follows list of 13 pending messages which are not on hold anymore)
I was away for nearly a month and missed this adventure of upgrading to a new Mailman version. (I even missed some emails as they were put in the Junk email folder and that one was cleared after 10 days... so I've also missed some Listadmins-announce emails).
In any case: I've created an account now and it looks okay. I am still an owner of the various lists as I was. But I have no idea how to add a new member. (They gave me their email address and didn't send a subscription request. In the previous version it was possible to add the email right away. But now?)
Can someone help me?
- We have been upgrading mailing lists to mailman3, now more than 1/4th of
mailing lists have been migrated, more follow today and next week. Some
actions needed (see below)
- We created a new mailing list called listadmins-announce and we are
turning listadmins to a discussion mailing list. So If you don't wish to be
involved in mailing list administration discussions, you can unsubscribe
from listadmins  . But being a member of listadmins-announce is not
optional (you can unsubscribe, but you'll be automatically added back in
the next update).
*More on upgrade to mm3:*
Upgrading +700 mailing lists and more than 17 years of digital archive
is... challenging and Mailman3, while being much better than mailman2, is
One known issue is that the upgrade script sometimes truncates the info
field. We have made changes and reported it to upstream to mitigate it but
some mailing lists might not be easily fixable (python version
incompatibilities, etc.). So If your mailing list has been upgraded, please
check and fix that if it happens. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Private mailing lists won't be upgraded for now (possibly later next week
or the week after).
I recommend creating a central account  so you can have better control
over mailing lists you are a member of or you are an admin.
Please report any issues to us.
Changed the subject to make this a separate thread, as I like some opinions.
On Fri, 7 May 2021 at 06:45, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 13:17, Andre Koopal <andre(a)molens.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Amir,
>>> Thanks indeed for the upgrade, something I also think that was highly
>>> needed from a security perspective, so a good thing.
>>> One thing I did notice with my list being migrated is that we had some
>>> lists of non-members being able to post and also some blocked users. I
>>> don't find them back in the settings under message acceptance, but I find
>>> them in the users section under non members. I find this a bit strange.
>>> First of all you really need to go into the user itself before you see if
>>> it is a user you allow as non-member, or that it is a user marked to
>>> automatically discard. Secondly due to that when an account is created on
>>> that e-mail, you see the lists you are a non-member of. You fortunately
>>> can't see why you are a non-member, but it seems a small data-leak to me.
> The non-member option in mailman3 is a bit weird. I agree. Non-member can
> also mean "accept emails from these address right away" so it's not
> negative meaning all the time but as you said, I agree.
It can be positive or negative indeed, But it is still strange, that you
can see that you are a non-member, in principle it is of no use, as you
can't change anything on it, and I think these are settings for the the
admins/moderators of the lists with no need for the users to see it.
>>> Will the old fields to filter users under settings/message acceptance
>>> still work, or will those users automatically converted to non-members? As
>>> an admin that will be difficult to manage, and it would be at least needed
>>> to be able to filter on the set action so you can see what is what. Also I
>>> don't think the interface should show you the lists you are a non-member of.
> Have you tried turning them back to the setting? I haven't tried it yet
> and it might work. For the issues, you can file a bug in
> phabricator/upstream. I personally don't see it as a big deal.
I quickly tried to put one e-mail address in the 'Accept these non-members'
section, and it wasn't converted to a non-member so it seems the lists
there work as well. Didn't completely test if it works but I assume it
will, as otherwise there would be more complaints.
Don't mind creating phabricator tickets but I would like to hear a bit more
options, is it ok the old settings with lists with fields have been
converted to non-members, or would it have been better to just have them in
the lists in a text field only, where you have an overview. Any more
I also would like a bit more input if others indeed think it is wrong that
you can see the lists where you are non-member off.
At least for the filter option, I already created T282325.
In Mailman2 some lists would ban everyone and then manually add
subscribers who should be on the list. In Mailman3 this is no longer
possible, the ban list trumps everything. If an address is banned,
messages from it will be silently discarded, regardless of whether
they're subscribed or any other options.
We have so far either removed these kinds of bans during imports or held
off importing these lists yet.
Please review your list's ban list ("Ban List" tab in Postorius) and
remove any overly broad ones.
As a sidenote, we now have the ability to enact global bans, so if
there's a domain or pattern spamming across multiple lists, we can block
it in one spot.
I've also added this information to
Today, we realized the bounce processing of mailman3 was broken and once we
brought it back up, it started processing a huge queue of bounced mails.
You are very likely going to receive lots of emails related to bounce
processing (if you have it enabled, for example notification of
unsubscription due to excessive bounce)
We are sorry for the inconvenience. Check
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T282348 for more information.
For a while I've been pointed as administrator of the digitization mailing
I've never performed any administrative actions over this list, I lost the
pwd, etc., basically I don't want to be an administrator of that list.
Could someone with super administrative powers remove me from being an