I propose forbid uploading images from Ukrainian Wikipedia, because uk-wp admins abuse copyright. Some of them uploads non-free images with free licence. Other ones use fairuses in templates and userpages. And you may upload ANY image and put license {{Fairuse in}} and image will stay on Wikipedia during months.
Last week some sysop (Turzh) uploaded many images with license CC-BY-SA from the site sobory.ru , but author allows only non-commercial usage (see OTRS ticket#2008070810020169https://secure.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=1692013&ArticleID=2042868&QueueID=144). I ask that sysop to delete these images because such permission is unappropriate but he continued upload images. Today I ask him again to delete it (because images with free license maybe uploaded by any user to Commons; and I as Commons' sysop care about purity of project), but he said that he not uploaded it in Commons, it is uk-wiki, and he does what he want. Then I put templates {{db}} to some images but he blocked me for 24 hours.
That's why I suggest to forbid uploading images from uk-wiki (firstly via CommonsHelper and then with another ways) without admin review.
Hi Anatoliy,
I think there is little we can do about this, aside from informing you and being alert about the upload of non-free media on Commons, which is nothing new.
Assuming that your representation of events is correct, it appears to me that the way "Fair use" has been implemented on uk.wikipedia may be in violation of a resolution of the Board of the Wikimedia Foundation[1]. I would advise you to review the document I linked below and analyse if the current policy on uk.wikipedia is in occordance with the Resolution.
If you require specific advice, this mailing list could be a platform for discussion. I have no opinion on the internal matters of uk.wikipedia; as long as the community wanders within the boundaries that have been set by the Foundation, I think the community should find solutions for their own problems, or, if involved parties agree, request mediation.
Personally I am against Fair use in any project of Wikimedia, just so you and others know what would be my POV.
Cheers! Siebrand
[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Licensing_policy
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Van: commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] Namens ???????? ???????? Verzonden: dinsdag 15 juli 2008 11:29 Aan: commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org Onderwerp: [Commons-l] Ukrainian Wikipedia
I propose forbid uploading images from Ukrainian Wikipedia, because uk-wp admins abuse copyright. Some of them uploads non-free images with free licence. Other ones use fairuses in templates and userpages. And you may upload ANY image and put license {{Fairuse in}} and image will stay on Wikipedia during months.
Last week some sysop (Turzh) uploaded many images with license CC-BY-SA from the site sobory.ru , but author allows only non-commercial usage (see OTRS ticket#2008070810020169 https://secure.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=1692013&ArticleID=2042868&QueueID=144 ). I ask that sysop to delete these images because such permission is unappropriate but he continued upload images. Today I ask him again to delete it (because images with free license maybe uploaded by any user to Commons; and I as Commons' sysop care about purity of project), but he said that he not uploaded it in Commons, it is uk-wiki, and he does what he want. Then I put templates {{db}} to some images but he blocked me for 24 hours.
That's why I suggest to forbid uploading images from uk-wiki (firstly via CommonsHelper and then with another ways) without admin review.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazeland@xs4all.nl wrote:
Assuming that your representation of events is correct, it appears to me that the way "Fair use" has been implemented on uk.wikipedia may be in violation of a resolution of the Board of the Wikimedia Foundation[1]. I would advise you to review the document I linked below and analyse if the current policy on uk.wikipedia is in occordance with the Resolution.
This appears to be only partly about exemption doctrine policies; the user Turzh at ukwiki appears to have uploaded photographs taken by user "als" at sobory.ru [1], claiming that they are under CC-BY-SA when at most als seems to have granted use under some non-commercial licence (as far as I can make out from a machine translation of the OTRS permissions ticket).
Unfortunately I cannot translate ukwiki's EDP [2], and I don't know whether it permits non-commercial use or not; in any event, there's a separate problem if Turzh is uploading images with the incorrect licence.
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[1] http://sobory.ru/profile/index.html?author=1190_als [2] http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%9...
Ukrainian EDP (http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%9...:http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%96%D1%8F:Критерії_добропорядного_користування ) was translated from Russiian EDP, and Russian was translated from English. That's why uk-wp rules are the same as en-wp ones.
2008/7/15 Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazeland@xs4all.nl wrote:
Assuming that your representation of events is correct, it appears to me that the way "Fair use" has been implemented on uk.wikipedia may be in violation of a resolution of the Board of the Wikimedia Foundation[1]. I would advise you to review the document I linked below and analyse if the current policy on uk.wikipedia is in occordance with the Resolution.
This appears to be only partly about exemption doctrine policies; the user Turzh at ukwiki appears to have uploaded photographs taken by user "als" at sobory.ru [1], claiming that they are under CC-BY-SA when at most als seems to have granted use under some non-commercial licence (as far as I can make out from a machine translation of the OTRS permissions ticket).
Unfortunately I cannot translate ukwiki's EDP [2], and I don't know whether it permits non-commercial use or not; in any event, there's a separate problem if Turzh is uploading images with the incorrect licence.
[1] http://sobory.ru/profile/index.html?author=1190_als [2] http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%9...
-- Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com
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While I understand the merits of this proposal in theory, I am unsure as to how it could be implemented in practice. For instance, how would you propose this "admin review" take place - if what you're saying is true (and I don't have reason to doubt it, though I haven't looked into the circumstances myself), there could be issues with tagging for review, and subsequently transferring and deleting local copies.
I would be interested to see a more developed proposal.
-Alex (Giggy)
On 7/15/08, Анатолій Гончаров ahonc.ua@gmail.com wrote:
I propose forbid uploading images from Ukrainian Wikipedia, because uk-wp admins abuse copyright. Some of them uploads non-free images with free licence. Other ones use fairuses in templates and userpages. And you may upload ANY image and put license {{Fairuse in}} and image will stay on Wikipedia during months.
Last week some sysop (Turzh) uploaded many images with license CC-BY-SA from the site sobory.ru , but author allows only non-commercial usage (see OTRS ticket#2008070810020169https://secure.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=1692013&ArticleID=2042868&QueueID=144). I ask that sysop to delete these images because such permission is unappropriate but he continued upload images. Today I ask him again to delete it (because images with free license maybe uploaded by any user to Commons; and I as Commons' sysop care about purity of project), but he said that he not uploaded it in Commons, it is uk-wiki, and he does what he want. Then I put templates {{db}} to some images but he blocked me for 24 hours.
That's why I suggest to forbid uploading images from uk-wiki (firstly via CommonsHelper and then with another ways) without admin review.
-- Anatoliy Honcharov (Анатолій Гончаров) mailto:Ahonc.ua@gmail.com
Hi!
While I'm not sure about ban for moving images from Ukrainian Wikipedia, closer admin review is good idea. I remember PD-UA-exempt abuses, but they also came from English Wikipedia (uploaded mostly by Ukrainian speaking users).
Introducing some copyrights education/control in Ukrainian Wikipedia is also good idea. For example Russian Wikipedia have same problems until end of 2005 (if I'm not mistaken, Boleslav1 raise the issue) and situation was dramatically improved there.
Eugene.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
While I understand the merits of this proposal in theory, I am unsure as to how it could be implemented in practice. For instance, how would you propose this "admin review" take place - if what you're saying is true (and I don't have reason to doubt it, though I haven't looked into the circumstances myself), there could be issues with tagging for review, and subsequently transferring and deleting local copies.
I would be interested to see a more developed proposal.
-Alex (Giggy)
On 7/15/08, Анатолій Гончаров ahonc.ua@gmail.com wrote:
I propose forbid uploading images from Ukrainian Wikipedia, because uk-wp admins abuse copyright. Some of them uploads non-free images with free licence. Other ones use fairuses in templates and userpages. And you may upload ANY image and put license {{Fairuse in}} and image will stay on Wikipedia during months.
Last week some sysop (Turzh) uploaded many images with license CC-BY-SA from the site sobory.ru , but author allows only non-commercial usage (see OTRS ticket#2008070810020169https://secure.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=1692013&ArticleID=2042868&QueueID=144). I ask that sysop to delete these images because such permission is unappropriate but he continued upload images. Today I ask him again to delete it (because images with free license maybe uploaded by any user to Commons; and I as Commons' sysop care about purity of project), but he said that he not uploaded it in Commons, it is uk-wiki, and he does what he want. Then I put templates {{db}} to some images but he blocked me for 24 hours.
That's why I suggest to forbid uploading images from uk-wiki (firstly via CommonsHelper and then with another ways) without admin review.
-- Anatoliy Honcharov (Анатолій Гончаров) mailto:Ahonc.ua@gmail.com
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