Didn't realize this was crossposted, so i geuss i'll forward to commons-l
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From: bawolff <bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com>
Date: Apr 23, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] [Commons-l] Accredited photographer status?
To: Wikinews mailing list <wikinews-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
See also:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Accreditation_policy
and
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews_accreditation_policy
As far as accredited photographer, on english wikinews its mixed
opinion as to what to do. I personally think That it should be
coordinated with commons. We had a bunch of commoners apply for
accreditation without ever contributing to wikinews, and most of them
got rejected (all except [[user:Gmaxwell]] i believe/ Mostly because
it felt wrong to give someone who is only there for the accreditation,
the accreditation).
On a side note, we had one accredited photographer who actively
contributed to wikinews [[User:Aselman]], as well as Zannium
semi-hiring John Mueller (
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Academy_Awards_afterparty_CUN_Blu_C…
) As well as the accredited people who aren't ''photographers'', but
know how to click the button on a camera.
-bawolff
On 4/23/07, Delphine Ménard <notafishz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think we have had this accreditation
conversation already, I can't
remember where (foundation-l? wikinews-l?) or when. Sorry.
The answer is very simple: For those countries where accreditation is
a legal matter (France is one of them), the Foundation, or the
chapters, cannot and will not give this accreditation.
For those countries where the whole accreditation process is more
open, then it could be imagined that the Wikinews community recognize
some people as "wiki journalists" or something.
Please remember that as soon as the organisation "endorses" any person
to contribute content to the projects, it puts itself in a "publisher"
kind of position, which we need to avoid at all costs, since the
organisation is *not* a publisher.
Delphine
On 4/23/07, Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> 2007/4/23, Guillaume Paumier <guillom.pom(a)gmail.com>om>:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Last week-end there was the first round of the French presidential
election.
> > People from Wikimedia France have been
working hard to attend
meetings of
> > the candidates to take plenty of photos
of them and other
politicians or
> > artists supporting them. Wikimedia
France has even issued a press
release :
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:French_presidential_election_%28…
> > (browse the subcategories).
> >
> > To get an official press card in France, more than 50% of your total
income
> > must come from your activities as a
journalist or photographer <
> >
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carte_de_presse_en_France>gt;.
> > Photographers and reporters from Wikimedia projects can obviously
not
get
> > this precious pass. Though, an
accreditation letter from an
institution
> > (along with a professional camera and a
big amount of
self-confidency) can
> > be enough.
> >
> > I know the English-language Wikinews provides such accreditations
for
> > reporters. The French-language one
doesn't. We have been forced to
contact
> > each party and request temporary press
passes for each meeting.
Although we
> > are very proud of what we have
accomplished, it would be great if we
had
> > some accreditation letters as
photographers. Should they come from
Wikinews?
> > Commons? Dunno.
> >
> > Browsing through the archives of Wikinews Water cooler, I have found
this
> > discussion :
> >
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy/Archive/15#Accredi…
> >
> > Has there been any follow-up about this issue? If not, could we work
on
it?
> >
> > It seems to me that the accreditation can only be done by a legal
> > entity, and thus the accreditor at least formally should be the
> > Wikimedia Foundation or its French chapter. Of course they could leave
> > the decision as to who to actually completely dependent on the advise
> > by Commons or Wikinews or whatever. For PR reasons I think it would be
> > good to have 'Wikipedia' written on the accreditations (along with
> > Wikinews and Commons, and of course the WMF) - It's much better known
> > than the other projects, and thus could give an air of seriousness to
> > the user that otherwise he would not have.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Andre Engels, andreengels(a)gmail.com
> > ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels
> >
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>
>
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But we do have photographers, at least one, on en.Wiki, who attend events on
behalf of their editing contributions to Wikipedia. Again, I don't see why
it has to be something it's not for photographers. David uses his real name
as his user id, and his picture on his user page, he's polite, and eager,
and he's uploading pictures to Wikipedia. Accredation? Isn't that his
work?
KP
