<quote name="Steven Walling" date="2014-03-10" time="17:47:56 +0000">
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
There's a lot of changes in Typography Refresh. One of the many is the font css rule. The majority are changes that do not implicate the Freeness of anything. The font does. The font change (originally) only had a benefit to Mac OS users (right?).
No.
Awesome.
Now the font change (after Ryan's amazing work, which should have been done at the beginning) it includes a benefit for people who will now get Liberation instead of DejaVu (right?).
So, if my two (right?)'s above are correct, that makes me feel like the design team only cared about OSX/iOS users before, and only after a LOT of complaining on the various lists and bugs and such did they put in the effort to see IF they could improve the experience for non-Apple products.
Again no. We tested on Linux systems starting months ago, with the developers who have been working on this. Several of our iterations were focused on trying out free/open fonts to put first, and getting feedback about that.
Cool. That's great.
I find it also corroborated by the request from a Design team member for access to a Windows computer to do testing on *last week*.
Vibha asked for a Windows machine because she does not normally do testing on Windows herself, as a designer. The developers and product managers do this testing, and we all sit down (or share screenshots remotely) to take a look. Kaldari, who was working with Vibha at the time, doesn't trust virtual machine-based testing of fonts. That's why they asked for a Windows machine.
Makes sense, sorry for misinterpreting it.
That may or may not be an accurate way to describe the situation, historically, but that's how the narrative can easily be interpreted and it is what I'm feeling from these discussions where I'm being told my preference for not promoting proprietary stuff is "irrational."
This is not an accurate or fair representation. This kind of attitude ("all designers care about is OSX") is the kind of pernicious meme that drives good designers away from working on free software projects. It's akin to saying "women don't participate in $free_project because they aren't interested in working on free software".
Sorry, I didn't mean to say that all designers only care about OSX, but based on my (apparently incorrect) understanding above that's what this specific change seemed like to me.
So, thanks for the clarifications of my (mis)understanding.
May I ask the design team to update https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh with the current state of affairs/plans and what the changes mean for various platforms (as best as we can assume, I know how dumb the general font-rending non-deterministicness is)?
Thanks,
Greg