Wikivoyage-l January 2013

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Mass mailing to signed-up users
by Jani Patokallio 18 Jan '13

18 Jan '13

So I gather the mailing to the signed-up users hasn't gone out yet? If all else fails, I can do it from my personal account, but it would really be preferable to do it from a wikivoyage.org or wikimedia.org address. Would it be hard to eg. set up a one-off mailing list, or is there another nice way to handle this? Cheers, -jani

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CONFERM
by Rod 18 Jan '13

18 Jan '13

CONFERM

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Weird hybrid links on Google
by Jani Patokallio 18 Jan '13

18 Jan '13

So I spotted my first Wikivoyage link in the wild on Google... but it looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voy:Yonaguni_phrasebook Redirects through to Wikivoyage just fine, but what's going on there? Cheers, -jani

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Mobile site
by James Heilman 18 Jan '13

18 Jan '13

Hey All Currently our mobile site show no content when we go to it. Who is leading the mobile effort? I would propose that the mobile site should show the article at the persons IP address. Thoughts. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com

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(no subject)
by sanjay jain 17 Jan '13

17 Jan '13

A diaper is a kind of underwear that allows one to defecate or urinate in a discreet manner. When diapers become soiled, they require changing; this process is often performed by a second person such as a parent or caregiver. Failure to change a diaper on a regular enough basis can result in diaper rash.http://www.easyfit.in

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Now able to upload images via your mobile
by James Heilman 17 Jan '13

17 Jan '13

This will be of interest to fellow voyagers. * Experimental features pushed to mobile*: Following the release of a new mobile Wikimedia experience in 2012, the Wikimedia Foundation has further extended their beta to include new features. Specifically, logged-in mobile users can now upload pictures to the Wikimedia Commons directly from their browser, while Wikimedia editors will be interested in the new watchlist and section editing tools. These features, while functional, are described as experimental at this time. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com

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Wikivoyage-l Digest, Vol 4, Issue 31
by 김종영 17 Jan '13

17 Jan '13

------------ 김종영 010-5380-7178, sisacolumn(a)gmail.com FaceBook & Twitter: sisacolumn http://blog.yes24.com/sisacolumn, http://www.maniapage.com/ -----Original Message----- From: wikivoyage-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikivoyage-l- bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of wikivoyage-l- request(a)lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:59 AM To: wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Wikivoyage-l Digest, Vol 4, Issue 31 Send Wikivoyage-l mailing list submissions to wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikivoyage-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikivoyage-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikivoyage-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: (no subject) (Yaroslav M. Blanter) 2. Re: (no subject) (Thehelpfulone) 3. Re: (no subject) (Philippe Beaudette) 4. Re: (no subject) (Powers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:46:23 +0100 From: "Yaroslav M. Blanter" <putevod(a)mccme.ru> To: Wikivoyage Mailing List <wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikivoyage-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <f1e33b9114495a438f834676eb50f57a(a)mccme.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:41:41 +0000, Thehelpfulone wrote: > Speaking from my experience as a list administrator for a number > of?the Wikimedia mailing lists: > > Letting people subscribe to and know of the existence of?the mailing > list is a good idea at the moment. The user that sent this email is > subscribed to the mailing list so we need the list admin (Erik at this > point but we can have more) to unsubscribe them. > > The list is already set so that non-members cannot send a message to > it, but as you can see if they do subscribe to the list then they can > post freely. We dont usually require list admin approval for > subscription requests as this is a public list, but here are the > options: > > a) Require list admin approval for subscription - doesnt make sense to > me as its not a private list, so you would likely approve that spammer > anyways. > > b) Set posts for new subscribers to require moderation (approved by a > list admin?before they are sent to the list) - this could stop any > potential influx of spam and legitimate subscribers could be > unmoderated once they have posted.? > > c) Remove the advertising of the mailing list from the site notice. > > d) Do?nothing yet. > > I think d) is the best at the moment, as?this email?is likely to just > be a one off so we can unsubscribe and ban this spammer. If?the spam > increases, then we could consider the other options. > > Thoughts? > I think we are currently fine. It would be good of course to have several list moderators in different time zones - this post was an obvious spam, and I am sure it would be removed by any moderator who saw it first. Cheers Yaroslav ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:27:56 +0000 From: Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com> To: Wikivoyage Mailing List <wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikivoyage-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <CADcRDcZah2raCDHPke+CDhbs5tiKMG_9R_+h6vYSyFeX1GKixg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Speaking from my experience as a list administrator for a number of the Wikimedia mailing lists: Letting people subscribe to and know of the existence of the mailing list is a good idea at the moment. The user that sent this email is subscribed to the mailing list so we need the list admin (Erik at this point but we can have more) to unsubscribe them. The list is already set so that non-members cannot send a message to it, but as you can see if they do subscribe to the list then they can post freely. We don't usually require list admin approval for subscription requests as this is a public list, but here are the options: a) Require list admin approval for subscription - doesn't make sense to me as its not a private list, so you would likely approve that spammer anyways. b) Set posts for new subscribers to require moderation (approved by a list admin before they are sent to the list) - this could stop any potential influx of spam and legitimate subscribers could be unmoderated once they have posted. c) Remove the advertising of the mailing list from the site notice. d) Do nothing yet. I think Option D is the best at the moment, as this email is likely to just be a one off so we can unsubscribe and ban this spammer. If the spam increases, then we could consider the other options. Thoughts? Thehelpfulone On Wednesday, January 16, 2013, Cacahuate wrote: > Or maybe remove the "subscribe to mailing list" from the site notice > > Cacahuate > > On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:48 AM, James Heilman > <jmh649(a)gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jmh649(a)gmail.com');>> > wrote: > > Looks like we need someone to screen the mail going out? > > J > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:47 AM, sanjay jain > <xceleasyfit(a)gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > 'xceleasyfit(a)gmail.com');> > > wrote: > >> A diaper is a kind of underwear that allows one to defecate or >> urinate in a discreet manner. When diapers become soiled, they >> require changing; this process is often performed by a second person >> such as a parent or caregiver. Failure to change a diaper on a >> regular enough basis can result in diaper rash.http://www.easyfit.in >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikivoyage-l mailing list >> Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', >> 'Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org');> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l >> >> > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > > The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wikivoyage-l mailing list > Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > 'Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org');> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l > > -- Thehelpfulone http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone

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Enabling RC patrolling
by Erik Moeller 16 Jan '13

16 Jan '13

With the flood of edits it would seem to make sense to enable recent-changes patrolling for Wikivoyage wikis: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseRCPatrol Any concerns about doing so? If not we'll do so shortly. -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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Disabling anon edits on sv:
by Mattias Sweden 16 Jan '13

16 Jan '13

Hi! If we would like to disable anon edits on Wikivoyage in sv; what's the procedure? This was intended to be done when we were still Wikitravel, but got lost in the transitions. Mattias

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Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage: Chance, bore, or hazard
by Yaroslav M. Blanter 15 Jan '13

15 Jan '13

Forwarding from Wikimedia-l. Cheers Yaroslav -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage: Chance, bore, or hazard Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:00:08 +0100 From: Ziko van Dijk <vandijk(a)wmnederland.nl> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Dear colleagues, Since November 2012, Wikivoyage is a part of the Wikimedia movement. I have come to some thoughts about this old/new project, both from the perspective of a collaborator and from the perspective of the movement. Chance: Wikivoyage has a huge potential; it may open the movement for new collaborators who were not attracted enough by Wikipedia. There is still low hanging fruit, and there are working chapters - and the WMF - to support the new family member. Integrating Wikivoyage is also a challenge for the movement, it has to prove that it is capable to do so. (And recommend itself for other wikis to join.) Bore: But, if Wikivoyage fails to make use of its potential, it will be one more Wikimedia wiki rather small and limited in range, such as Wikiquote or Wikinews. A community grown over the years may be good in binding (linking the existing members to each other), but less in bridging (being open for new members and contacting others). We see the same phenomenon (that new people find it difficult their way, or are even expelled more or less explicitly) also with Wikipedia, but on a much higher level. Also Wikipedia loses community members slowly, with difficulties acquiring new ones. Hazard: Wikipedia developed a lot of rules over the years, often after heavy debates and scandals. For example, the Seigenthaler incident and other cases of calumny led to the policy about Biographies of Living People. Wikivoyage has still a rather limited set of rules, and wishes to remain so. Wikipedia is neutral, Wikipedia uses references, while Wikivoyage allows to criticize e.g. a restaurant and does not require a source. But where is the limit between exercising one's freedom of speech and libel? Scandals can backfire to the whole movement. In my humble opinion, this is a good moment for Wikivoyagers (old and new ones alike) to engage in discussions about style, limitations, good practices, and improve the site to make it newbies easier to join. With the good will from all sides, Wikivoyage should become a chance for the movement rather than anything else. Kind regards Ziko -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter http://wmnederland.nl/ Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht ----------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

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