Hello, I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however have a few issues with this proposal.
The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones and available times. All of the other future talks times have been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times, and having people indicate what dates/times they are available. The date/time with the most people available is then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been discussed many times, and the results are always the same, people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be acted upon.
My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be especially by some one with such strong opinions on many of the topics
Craig Spurrier
Nicholas Gerda wrote:
Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for work that we feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list follows and is freely available for editing at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
- Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues (encourage local
reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues (Stable version flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy). 4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong). 5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's requests. 6. Encourage more Investigative reporting. 7. User-friendliness (we currently have high standards, possible "This just in" raw news box). 8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3, which I plan on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
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I am against use of IRC to set Wikinews policy.
These sessions are always attended by the same small group of people - whereas the majority of WN contributors cannot make it to the chats for various reasons.
There is no valid argument as to why each and every issue raised cannot be handled in the wiki way - via talk pages. It may be slower, but it provides an adequate way for ALL interested parties to participate regardless of time zone.
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-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Craig Spurrier Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:51 PM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
Hello, I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however have a few issues with this proposal.
The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones and available times. All of the other future talks times have been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times, and having people indicate what dates/times they are available. The date/time with the most people available is then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been discussed many times, and the results are always the same, people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be acted upon.
My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be especially by some one with such strong opinions on many of the topics
Craig Spurrier
Nicholas Gerda wrote:
Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for
work that we
feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list follows and is freely available for editing at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
- Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues
(encourage local
reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues (Stable version flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy). 4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong). 5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's requests. 6. Encourage more Investigative reporting. 7. User-friendliness (we currently have high standards,
possible "This
just in" raw news box). 8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3,
which I plan
on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
Nick _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
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I would also prefer to see the discussions happen on the Wiki and flagged on the watercooler/sitenews if they take place on another page so that everyone has the chance to be involved and consensus can be reached before changes are made. ClareWhite
IRC discussions are not so much used to make policy descisions as they are a roundtable discussion of the current state of Wikinews and where we can go from here. It exists as a way for Wikinewsies with multiple viewpoints on a particular issue to share their ideas and discuss them with others. So, I'm very sorry if anyone got the idea that this IRC discussion was an exclusionary end-all policymaking session. Hopefully you can all attend, otherwise I'm sure we can arrange a different time.
Cheers! Nick
Hmm.. Again a general announcement and/or talk page would be more appropriate in a Wiki-based project.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Gerda Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:14 PM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: Opposed to any more policy-setting via chat rooms RE:[Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
IRC discussions are not so much used to make policy descisions as they are a roundtable discussion of the current state of Wikinews and where we can go from here. It exists as a way for Wikinewsies with multiple viewpoints on a particular issue to share their ideas and discuss them with others. So, I'm very sorry if anyone got the idea that this IRC discussion was an exclusionary end-all policymaking session. Hopefully you can all attend, otherwise I'm sure we can arrange a different time.
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