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From: "David Speakman" david@speakman.com Date: 2005/08/16 Tue AM 03:34:40 EDT To: "'Wikinews mailing list'" wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Opposed to any more policy-setting via chat rooms RE: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
I am against use of IRC to set Wikinews policy.
These sessions are always attended by the same small group of people - whereas the majority of WN contributors cannot make it to the chats for various reasons.
There is no valid argument as to why each and every issue raised cannot be handled in the wiki way - via talk pages. It may be slower, but it provides an adequate way for ALL interested parties to participate regardless of time zone.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041 Phone: 408-382-1459
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Craig Spurrier Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:51 PM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
Hello, I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however have a few issues with this proposal.
The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones and available times. All of the other future talks times have been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times, and having people indicate what dates/times they are available. The date/time with the most people available is then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been discussed many times, and the results are always the same, people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be acted upon.
My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be especially by some one with such strong opinions on many of the topics
Craig Spurrier
Nicholas Gerda wrote:
Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for
work that we
feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list follows and is freely available for editing at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
- Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues
(encourage local
reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues (Stable version flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy). 4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong). 5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's requests. 6. Encourage more Investigative reporting. 7. User-friendliness (we currently have high standards,
possible "This
just in" raw news box). 8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3,
which I plan
on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
Nick _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
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From: "David Speakman" david@speakman.com Date: 2005/08/16 Tue AM 03:34:40 EDT To: "'Wikinews mailing list'" wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Opposed to any more policy-setting via chat rooms RE:
[Wikinews-l]
Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
I am against use of IRC to set Wikinews policy.
These sessions are always attended by the same small group of people - whereas the majority of WN contributors cannot make it to the chats for various reasons.
There is no valid argument as to why each and every issue raised cannot
be
handled in the wiki way - via talk pages. It may be slower, but it
provides
an adequate way for ALL interested parties to participate regardless of
time
zone.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041 Phone: 408-382-1459
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Craig Spurrier Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:51 PM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
Hello, I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however have a few issues with this proposal.
The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones and available times. All of the other future talks times have been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times, and having people indicate what dates/times they are available. The date/time with the most people available is then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been discussed many times, and the results are always the same, people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be acted upon.
My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be especially by some one with such strong opinions on many of the topics
Craig Spurrier
Nicholas Gerda wrote:
Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for
work that we
feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list follows and is freely available for editing at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
- Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues
(encourage local
reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues (Stable version flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy). 4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong). 5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's requests. 6. Encourage more Investigative reporting. 7. User-friendliness (we currently have high standards,
possible "This
just in" raw news box). 8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3,
which I plan
on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
Nick _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
If you want to unsubscribe - maybe you should scroll down to the bottom of this page: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
And follow the directions on how to unsubscribe.
Spamming the mail list with NOT unsubscribe you, but it will piss off a bunch of other folks.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041 Phone: 408-382-1459
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of gristmiami@bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:21 AM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: [Wikinews-l] I WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE
I NEED TO STOP RECEIVING ALL WIKINEWS..........PLEASE`STOP. gristmiami@bellsouth.net @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
From: "David Speakman" david@speakman.com Date: 2005/08/16 Tue AM 03:34:40 EDT To: "'Wikinews mailing list'" wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Opposed to any more policy-setting via chat rooms
RE: [Wikinews-l]
Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
I am against use of IRC to set Wikinews policy.
These sessions are always attended by the same small group
of people -
whereas the majority of WN contributors cannot make it to the chats for various reasons.
There is no valid argument as to why each and every issue raised cannot be handled in the wiki way - via talk pages. It may
be slower,
but it provides an adequate way for ALL interested parties to participate regardless of time zone.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041 Phone: 408-382-1459
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Craig Spurrier
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:51 PM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
Hello, I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however have a few issues with this proposal.
The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones and available times. All of the other future talks times have been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times, and having people indicate what dates/times they are available. The date/time with the most people available is then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been discussed many times, and the results are always the same, people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be acted upon.
My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be especially by some one with such strong opinions on many
of the topics
Craig Spurrier
Nicholas Gerda wrote:
Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for
work that we
feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list
follows and is
freely available for editing at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
- Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues
(encourage local
reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues
(Stable version
flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy). 4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong). 5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's
requests.
- Encourage more Investigative reporting.
- User-friendliness (we currently have high standards,
possible "This
just in" raw news box). 8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3,
which I plan
on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
Nick _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
If you want to unsubscribe - maybe you should scroll down to the bottom of this page: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
And follow the directions on how to unsubscribe.
Spamming the mail list with the same message over and over will NOT unsubscribe you, but it will piss off a bunch of other folks.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041 Phone: 408-382-1459
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of gristmiami@bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:21 AM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: [Wikinews-l] I WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE
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From: "David Speakman" david@speakman.com Date: 2005/08/16 Tue AM 03:34:40 EDT To: "'Wikinews mailing list'" wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Opposed to any more policy-setting via chat rooms
RE: [Wikinews-l]
Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
I am against use of IRC to set Wikinews policy.
These sessions are always attended by the same small group
of people -
whereas the majority of WN contributors cannot make it to the chats for various reasons.
There is no valid argument as to why each and every issue raised cannot be handled in the wiki way - via talk pages. It may
be slower,
but it provides an adequate way for ALL interested parties to participate regardless of time zone.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041 Phone: 408-382-1459
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Craig Spurrier
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:51 PM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Todo list/Wikinews Future Talk 3
Hello, I think a third future talk is a great idea. I do however have a few issues with this proposal.
The date appears to be randomly chosen. IRC and any other real time methods will exclude people based upon timezones and available times. All of the other future talks times have been chosen by creating a page with a list of possible times, and having people indicate what dates/times they are available. The date/time with the most people available is then used. If they are unable to make the listed times, they are encouraged to list what times they would be able to make.
My second issue with this is the inclusion of the WNN proposal in the items to discus. This proposal has been discussed many times, and the results are always the same, people arguing with nothing accomplished. The WNN proposal if it is to survive, needs either to be ignored until the project can support it, or for the previous discussions to be acted upon.
My third issue with it is Nick moderating it, no past future talk has been moderated, and I do not think it should be especially by some one with such strong opinions on many
of the topics
Craig Spurrier
Nicholas Gerda wrote:
Eloquence, Ed Brown and I came up with a starter list for
work that we
feel should be accomplished on Wikinews. This list
follows and is
freely available for editing at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Todo_list .
- Resolve Portal namespace and Portal design issues
(encourage local
reporting). 2. Resolve Google News indexing issues
(Stable version
flagging). 3. Revise decision-making process (Voting policy). 4. Main Page (what belongs, what doesn't belong). 5. Work on modifying WNN proposal to appease community's
requests.
- Encourage more Investigative reporting.
- User-friendliness (we currently have high standards,
possible "This
just in" raw news box). 8. Expand editor base (Contact college journalism departments, etc.).
These will be the set topics for Wikinews Future Talk 3,
which I plan
on moderating on Saturday, August 20, at 21:00 UTC.
Nick _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
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