One approach might be to begin to think of which types of fair use images could be allowed.
For example, when making an article about a firm, it might be authorized to use the logo of this firm in fair use.
For example, when making an article about a movie just making it for an oscar, it might be authorized to use a small representation of the movie poster.
Ant
------- I am sympathetic to this, but I think that there needs to be a fairly tight policy. As an example, we really can't take a photo from Reuters and claim fair use -- our use is too similar to theirs, competes with theirs, etc.
I think it's worth discussing at length so we can get our heads clear about what the exact bounds should be. Commons-only is very safe for now, but your point is valid of course.
David Speakman wrote:
C&P from the Wikinews watercooler:
I officially propose that we institute an
"Image:" upload capability
into the Wikinews area and drop the use of Wiki
Commons as our default
image upload site and article image server since it
will harm the depth
of our news coverage. The use of Wiki Commons as our
image source will
hamper us since [[w:fair use]] images are not
allowed there. It is my
belief that news sometimes needs fair use graphics
-- case in point: the
"Wells Fargo and Barclay's rumoured to be in merger
talks" article in
which I inserted a Wells Fargo and Barclays logo -
which visually helps
the story. But since we use Wiki Commons for our
image source, this
graphic will most likely be deleted, leaving the
story text-only. --
Davodd | Talk 10:13, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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Anthere wrote:
One approach might be to begin to think of which types of fair use images could be allowed.
For example, when making an article about a firm, it might be authorized to use the logo of this firm in fair use.
For example, when making an article about a movie just making it for an oscar, it might be authorized to use a small representation of the movie poster.
I think this is a nice start.
In fact, it might be the right way to go as a way of constructing the policy. A blanket "no" on fair use, but with specific holes punched through that firewall for cases that we deem to be o.k.
--Jimbo
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Anthere wrote:
One approach might be to begin to think of which types of fair use images could be allowed.
For example, when making an article about a firm, it might be authorized to use the logo of this firm in fair use.
For example, when making an article about a movie just making it for an oscar, it might be authorized to use a small representation of the movie poster.
I think this is a nice start.
In fact, it might be the right way to go as a way of constructing the policy. A blanket "no" on fair use, but with specific holes punched through that firewall for cases that we deem to be o.k.
Although this sounds good, it would be in violation of current Wikicommons policy since movie posters are copyrighted by movie studios and not available for free distribution. So, when a movie poster is uploaded by a Wikinews reporter, it will mostly likely be flagged and deleted from Wikicommons since its use in a Wikibooks - or some other wikiprojects - would be a copyright violation.
You're getting a taste of my frustration with the Wikicommons-only approach for Wikinews. The situation is more complex and common sense says it should be.
It gets worse - space pictures taken by NASA are public domain - and Wikicommons compatible. BUT space pictures taken by ESA or other countries are copyrighted by the ESA or specific universities - and are not Wikicommons compatible.
We ran into this issue with the Titan probe. Some of the best pictures released were not Wikicommons compatible - so we could not use them, even though every news agency on the globe that I witnessed did use them. We, instead had to rely upon artist illustrations from NASA - not actual photos.
I highly recommend you visit this link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Copyrighted - where a user-created flag of the Commonwealth of Nations will most-likely be deleted due to non-commercial-use copyright concerns.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041 Phone: 408-382-1459
Hi,
there is a proposed fair use policy for Wikinews at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Policies_and_guidelines/Fair_use
Once this policy is refined and approved by the Board, we can re-enable local uploads on the English edition. Other language editions can follow a similar procedure.
Best,
Erik
wikinews-l@lists.wikimedia.org