David
I perfectly know that *currently* it is not
compatible.
I understand the current limits to uploads, and the
needs to discuss what should be and not be allowed on
wikinews. While obviously, we can not authorize all
fair use images for the reasons explained by Jimbo
(competiting with sources like AFP in particular), I
think some types of fair use images could possibly be
used by Wikinews. This would require that these types
are extremely well defined and strict respect is made
of these limits.
Use of a firm logo is not likely to make us in trouble
with other news sources, so that might be one of these
cases which might be tolerated. On wikinews, not on
wikicommons of course.
As for ESA, a petition is currently under way to have
it release some images under a free license.
Ant
--- David Speakman <david(a)speakman.com> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: wikinews-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Jimmy
(Jimbo) Wales
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:59 AM
To: Wikinews mailing list
Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] To stop using Wiki
Commons as our
default Wikinewsimage source
Anthere wrote:
> One approach might be to begin to think of which
types
> of fair use images could be allowed.
> For example, when making an article about
a
firm, it
> might be authorized to use the logo of this
firm
in
> fair use.
> For example, when making an article about
a
movie just
> making it for an oscar, it might be
authorized
to use
a small
representation of the movie poster.
I think this is a nice start.
In fact, it might be the right way to go as a way
of
constructing the policy. A blanket
"no" on fair
use, but
with specific holes punched through that firewall
for cases
that we deem to be o.k.
Although this sounds good, it would be in violation
of current
Wikicommons policy since movie posters are
copyrighted by movie studios
and not available for free distribution. So, when a
movie poster is
uploaded by a Wikinews reporter, it will mostly
likely be flagged and
deleted from Wikicommons since its use in a
Wikibooks - or some other
wikiprojects - would be a copyright violation.
You're getting a taste of my frustration with the
Wikicommons-only
approach for Wikinews. The situation is more complex
and common sense
says it should be.
It gets worse - space pictures taken by NASA are
public domain - and
Wikicommons compatible. BUT space pictures taken by
ESA or other
countries are copyrighted by the ESA or specific
universities - and are
not Wikicommons compatible.
We ran into this issue with the Titan probe. Some of
the best pictures
released were not Wikicommons compatible - so we
could not use them,
even though every news agency on the globe that I
witnessed did use
them. We, instead had to rely upon artist
illustrations from NASA - not
actual photos.
I highly recommend you visit this link:
- where a
user-created flag of the Commonwealth of Nations
will most-likely be
deleted due to non-commercial-use copyright
concerns.
--
David Speakman
http://www.DavidSpeakman.com
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