Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december.
He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ?
any comment about that ?
jacques divol finaly admin on the french wikinews !
On 1/18/06, jacques.divol jacques.divol@laposte.net wrote:
Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december.
He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ?
any comment about that ?
Well... To make it short, no. Just no, this is a pretty stupid idea, which would break NPOV. We're already putting a template where there's a report on one of the Wikimedia projects, and press releases on Wikinews aren't acceptable.
-- Pozdrawiam, Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki
Hang on, they could be acceptable somewhere else in the domain though couldn't they, with a link/promotion with Wikinews?
I think that a lot of people looking to WN for news writing experience might also appreciate PR experience and there are probably also people happy to be involved in promoting Wikimedia as a contribution to the project?
I don't see at all why it shouldn't be a linked project to Wikinews, as long as it is clearly shown as a press room rather than part of the news output. Particularly when it comes to, say, translating press releases I think it could be a good cross-Wikinews project?
ClareWhite
on 18/1/06 3:12 pm, Dariusz Siedlecki at datrio@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/18/06, jacques.divol jacques.divol@laposte.net wrote:
Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december.
He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ?
any comment about that ?
Well... To make it short, no. Just no, this is a pretty stupid idea, which would break NPOV. We're already putting a template where there's a report on one of the Wikimedia projects, and press releases on Wikinews aren't acceptable.
-- Pozdrawiam, Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
ok .... but ...
there's a press room on meta (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Wikimedia_press_release) there's a press room on wikimedia (http://wikimediafoundation.org/ wiki/Press_room) there's a press room on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia:Press_releases)
What's the relation with the NPOV ?
sorry but wikinews IS a wikimedia project it's may be un-neutral but it's the naked truth
NPOV is not a dogmatic feature used to hide reality
For example, [[en:Main_Page is not neutral at all.
All articles are not at the same level of readability, some are just a title, others are stated "featured story", so on ....
jacques divol
Le 18 janv. 06 à 16:12, Dariusz Siedlecki a écrit :
On 1/18/06, jacques.divol jacques.divol@laposte.net wrote:
Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december.
He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ?
any comment about that ?
Well... To make it short, no. Just no, this is a pretty stupid idea, which would break NPOV. We're already putting a template where there's a report on one of the Wikimedia projects, and press releases on Wikinews aren't acceptable.
-- Pozdrawiam, Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
Okay, wait, maybe I misunderstood you.
Do you want to put all Wikimedia press releases on Wikinews, instead of putting them in the so called "press rooms"?
-- Regards, Datrio
This is how I understood the proposal.
On en.Wikinews we are using Portal: namespace to create areas of news concentrated on a specific topic. It would be easy enough to create a Portal:Wikimedia for press releases about Wikimedia, with new press releases created as Portal:Wikimedia/Press release date/Title or similar naming convention, to keep them out of the main namespace.
Another option for en.Wikinews would be to create a portal-like page under the Wikinews: namespace, perhaps Wikinews:Wikimedia Foundation press releases. Similar idea for naming the press releases.
We could not run them as articles, but I believe we can host WMF press releases so long as they are not in the main namespace.
Amgine
Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:
Okay, wait, maybe I misunderstood you.
Do you want to put all Wikimedia press releases on Wikinews, instead of putting them in the so called "press rooms"?
-- Regards, Datrio
I am confused.
*Why* would the Foundation press release not be hosted on the Foundation website exactly ?
And, what would be the benefit to put a press release in a place where anyone can modify it after it is send to press ?
Ant
--- Amgine amgine@saewyc.net wrote:
This is how I understood the proposal.
On en.Wikinews we are using Portal: namespace to create areas of news concentrated on a specific topic. It would be easy enough to create a Portal:Wikimedia for press releases about Wikimedia, with new press releases created as Portal:Wikimedia/Press release date/Title or similar naming convention, to keep them out of the main namespace.
Another option for en.Wikinews would be to create a portal-like page under the Wikinews: namespace, perhaps Wikinews:Wikimedia Foundation press releases. Similar idea for naming the press releases.
We could not run them as articles, but I believe we can host WMF press releases so long as they are not in the main namespace.
Amgine
Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:
Okay, wait, maybe I misunderstood you.
Do you want to put all Wikimedia press releases on
Wikinews, instead
of putting them in the so called "press rooms"?
-- Regards, Datrio
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Anthere wrote:
I am confused.
*Why* would the Foundation press release not be hosted on the Foundation website exactly ?
And, what would be the benefit to put a press release in a place where anyone can modify it after it is send to press ?
Ant
I would expect they would be hosted on the Foundation website. However, I for one am not able to get updates of the Foundation website, via a watchlist RSS or any other form of automated press release notification, but I can do this on Wikinews. In other words, I don't know when there are new press releases.
There is no reason WMF press releases could not be be protected as original source documents on en.Wikinews, as a part of the archive policy on that edition.
Amgine
Amgine:
There is no reason WMF press releases could not be be protected as original source documents on en.Wikinews, as a part of the archive policy on that edition.
I would prefer not to do this. We frequently do report about Wikimedia projects; if we additionally host press release, this will cast a shadow of doubt on the neutrality of our other articles.
We've had stories like: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Answers.com_announce_pa...
This was short and shallow, but it still linked to an ongoing community discussion, which a press release almost certainly would not. Even in Wikimedia controversies, Wikinews has a responsibility to report the facts fairly and neutrally. Press releases would affect the perception, if not the goal.
Erik
On 1/18/06, Erik Moeller erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
This was short and shallow, but it still linked to an ongoing community discussion, which a press release almost certainly would not. Even in Wikimedia controversies, Wikinews has a responsibility to report the facts fairly and neutrally. Press releases would affect the perception, if not the goal.
Agreed. A good press release, IMHO, is entirely POV ;-). Let Wikinews originate its own press releases if the need arises (ie. about Wikinews), let the other "porjects" and "bodies" of the Wikimedia world originate theirs.
Cheers,
Delphine
-- ~notafish
I wholeheartedly disagree with using any wikinews namespace for any form of advertisement - including internal ads.
Press releases are not news - they are advertising.
A better location would be the wikimedia.org site - a wonderfully already biased site dedicated to the promotion of all things wiki.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Amgine Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:05 AM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews as Wikimedia press room
This is how I understood the proposal.
On en.Wikinews we are using Portal: namespace to create areas of news concentrated on a specific topic. It would be easy enough to create a Portal:Wikimedia for press releases about Wikimedia, with new press releases created as Portal:Wikimedia/Press release date/Title or similar naming convention, to keep them out of the main namespace.
Another option for en.Wikinews would be to create a portal-like page under the Wikinews: namespace, perhaps Wikinews:Wikimedia Foundation press releases. Similar idea for naming the press releases.
We could not run them as articles, but I believe we can host WMF press releases so long as they are not in the main namespace.
Amgine
Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:
Okay, wait, maybe I misunderstood you.
Do you want to put all Wikimedia press releases on Wikinews, instead of putting them in the so called "press rooms"?
-- Regards, Datrio
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:)
please, don't trash my skull, it was just a simple idea.
no consensus, ok
But go look at the bottom of the Main Page of the English wikinews, very pretty images and links to sister projects.
And if i remember well, some days ago the top of the page was squated by a call for money from wikimedia.
no problemo !
jacques divol
Bad idea.
Of all the wikimedians in our projects, wikijournalists need to be the most NPOV. Or, have the reputation of being the most unbiased - including unbiased toward Wikimedia and its progeny.
Once a news organization or journalist loses credibility in the public eye, it almost never returns.
We really need a "Chinese wall" ethic separating our wikijournalist expectations and our need for free publicity among our various projects.
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of jacques.divol Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:59 AM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews as Wikimedia press room
Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december.
He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ?
any comment about that ?
jacques divol finaly admin on the french wikinews !
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