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jacques.divol

18 Jan 2006 18 Jan '06

3:58 p.m.

Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december. He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ? any comment about that ? jacques divol finaly admin on the french wikinews !

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Dariusz Siedlecki

18 Jan 18 Jan

4:12 p.m.

On 1/18/06, jacques.divol <jacques.divol(a)laposte.net> wrote:

Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december. He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ? any comment about that ?

Well... To make it short, no. Just no, this is a pretty stupid idea, which would break NPOV. We're already putting a template where there's a report on one of the Wikimedia projects, and press releases on Wikinews aren't acceptable. -- Pozdrawiam, Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki

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Clare-Marie White

4:45 p.m.

Hang on, they could be acceptable somewhere else in the domain though couldn't they, with a link/promotion with Wikinews? I think that a lot of people looking to WN for news writing experience might also appreciate PR experience and there are probably also people happy to be involved in promoting Wikimedia as a contribution to the project? I don't see at all why it shouldn't be a linked project to Wikinews, as long as it is clearly shown as a press room rather than part of the news output. Particularly when it comes to, say, translating press releases I think it could be a good cross-Wikinews project? ClareWhite on 18/1/06 3:12 pm, Dariusz Siedlecki at datrio(a)gmail.com wrote:

On 1/18/06, jacques.divol <jacques.divol(a)laposte.net> wrote:

Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december. He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ? any comment about that ?

Well... To make it short, no. Just no, this is a pretty stupid idea, which would break NPOV. We're already putting a template where there's a report on one of the Wikimedia projects, and press releases on Wikinews aren't acceptable. -- Pozdrawiam, Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l

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jacques.divol

4:53 p.m.

ok .... but ... there's a press room on meta (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Wikimedia_press_release) there's a press room on wikimedia (http://wikimediafoundation.org/ wiki/Press_room) there's a press room on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wikipedia:Press_releases) What's the relation with the NPOV ? sorry but wikinews IS a wikimedia project it's may be un-neutral but it's the naked truth NPOV is not a dogmatic feature used to hide reality For example, [[en:Main_Page is not neutral at all. All articles are not at the same level of readability, some are just a title, others are stated "featured story", so on .... jacques divol Le 18 janv. 06 à 16:12, Dariusz Siedlecki a écrit :

On 1/18/06, jacques.divol <jacques.divol(a)laposte.net> wrote:

Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december. He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ? any comment about that ?

Well... To make it short, no. Just no, this is a pretty stupid idea, which would break NPOV. We're already putting a template where there's a report on one of the Wikimedia projects, and press releases on Wikinews aren't acceptable. -- Pozdrawiam, Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l

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Dariusz Siedlecki

5:29 p.m.

Okay, wait, maybe I misunderstood you. Do you want to put all Wikimedia press releases on Wikinews, instead of putting them in the so called "press rooms"? -- Regards, Datrio

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Amgine

6:05 p.m.

This is how I understood the proposal. On en.Wikinews we are using Portal: namespace to create areas of news concentrated on a specific topic. It would be easy enough to create a Portal:Wikimedia for press releases about Wikimedia, with new press releases created as Portal:Wikimedia/Press release date/Title or similar naming convention, to keep them out of the main namespace. Another option for en.Wikinews would be to create a portal-like page under the Wikinews: namespace, perhaps Wikinews:Wikimedia Foundation press releases. Similar idea for naming the press releases. We could not run them as articles, but I believe we can host WMF press releases so long as they are not in the main namespace. Amgine Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:

Okay, wait, maybe I misunderstood you. Do you want to put all Wikimedia press releases on Wikinews, instead of putting them in the so called "press rooms"? -- Regards, Datrio

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Anthere

6:24 p.m.

I am confused. *Why* would the Foundation press release not be hosted on the Foundation website exactly ? And, what would be the benefit to put a press release in a place where anyone can modify it after it is send to press ? Ant --- Amgine <amgine(a)saewyc.net> wrote:

This is how I understood the proposal. On en.Wikinews we are using Portal: namespace to create areas of news concentrated on a specific topic. It would be easy enough to create a Portal:Wikimedia for press releases about Wikimedia, with new press releases created as Portal:Wikimedia/Press release date/Title or similar naming convention, to keep them out of the main namespace. Another option for en.Wikinews would be to create a portal-like page under the Wikinews: namespace, perhaps Wikinews:Wikimedia Foundation press releases. Similar idea for naming the press releases. We could not run them as articles, but I believe we can host WMF press releases so long as they are not in the main namespace. Amgine Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:

Okay, wait, maybe I misunderstood you. Do you want to put all Wikimedia press releases on

Wikinews, instead

of putting them in the so called "press rooms"? -- Regards, Datrio

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Amgine

11:27 p.m.

Anthere wrote:

I am confused. *Why* would the Foundation press release not be hosted on the Foundation website exactly ? And, what would be the benefit to put a press release in a place where anyone can modify it after it is send to press ? Ant

I would expect they would be hosted on the Foundation website. However, I for one am not able to get updates of the Foundation website, via a watchlist RSS or any other form of automated press release notification, but I can do this on Wikinews. In other words, I don't know when there are new press releases. There is no reason WMF press releases could not be be protected as original source documents on en.Wikinews, as a part of the archive policy on that edition. Amgine

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Erik Moeller

19 Jan 19 Jan

12:01 a.m.

Amgine:

There is no reason WMF press releases could not be be protected as original source documents on en.Wikinews, as a part of the archive policy on that edition.

I would prefer not to do this. We frequently do report about Wikimedia projects; if we additionally host press release, this will cast a shadow of doubt on the neutrality of our other articles. We've had stories like: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_and_Answers.com_announce_p… This was short and shallow, but it still linked to an ongoing community discussion, which a press release almost certainly would not. Even in Wikimedia controversies, Wikinews has a responsibility to report the facts fairly and neutrally. Press releases would affect the perception, if not the goal. Erik

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Delphine Ménard

12:17 a.m.

On 1/18/06, Erik Moeller <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:

This was short and shallow, but it still linked to an ongoing community discussion, which a press release almost certainly would not. Even in Wikimedia controversies, Wikinews has a responsibility to report the facts fairly and neutrally. Press releases would affect the perception, if not the goal.

Agreed. A good press release, IMHO, is entirely POV ;-). Let Wikinews originate its own press releases if the need arises (ie. about Wikinews), let the other "porjects" and "bodies" of the Wikimedia world originate theirs. Cheers, Delphine -- ~notafish

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David Speakman

7:21 a.m.

Bad idea. Of all the wikimedians in our projects, wikijournalists need to be the most NPOV. Or, have the reputation of being the most unbiased - including unbiased toward Wikimedia and its progeny. Once a news organization or journalist loses credibility in the public eye, it almost never returns. We really need a "Chinese wall" ethic separating our wikijournalist expectations and our need for free publicity among our various projects. -- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041

-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of jacques.divol Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:59 AM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews as Wikimedia press room Wikinews as Wikimedia (and all others projects) press room is an idea i shared with one member of the wikimédia french chapter in december. He seemed interressed so i am asking to you if it's something to think about or no ? any comment about that ? jacques divol finaly admin on the french wikinews ! _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l

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David Speakman

7:24 a.m.

I wholeheartedly disagree with using any wikinews namespace for any form of advertisement - including internal ads. Press releases are not news - they are advertising. A better location would be the wikimedia.org site - a wonderfully already biased site dedicated to the promotion of all things wiki. -- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041

-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Amgine Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:05 AM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews as Wikimedia press room This is how I understood the proposal. On en.Wikinews we are using Portal: namespace to create areas of news concentrated on a specific topic. It would be easy enough to create a Portal:Wikimedia for press releases about Wikimedia, with new press releases created as Portal:Wikimedia/Press release date/Title or similar naming convention, to keep them out of the main namespace. Another option for en.Wikinews would be to create a portal-like page under the Wikinews: namespace, perhaps Wikinews:Wikimedia Foundation press releases. Similar idea for naming the press releases. We could not run them as articles, but I believe we can host WMF press releases so long as they are not in the main namespace. Amgine Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:

Okay, wait, maybe I misunderstood you. Do you want to put all Wikimedia press releases on Wikinews, instead of putting them in the so called "press rooms"? -- Regards, Datrio

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jacques.divol

10:01 a.m.

:) please, don't trash my skull, it was just a simple idea. no consensus, ok But go look at the bottom of the Main Page of the English wikinews, very pretty images and links to sister projects. And if i remember well, some days ago the top of the page was squated by a call for money from wikimedia. no problemo ! jacques divol

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